Q: I stumbled across this wonderful Eileen Gray Daybed picture on Pinterest and thought "That is for me!". The problem is, I need it not as a daybed, but as a day and NIGHT bed. Yes, the old studio apartment problem. Does anyone use this (or more importantly, an affordable reproduction made by a manufacturer at a reduced price — lowest I saw was $899.99) for sleeping at night? How firm (or soft) is it? Do the buttons hurt your… posterior?
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If the buttons don't bug you the dips will, they're always in the worst possible spots. Plus the leather will be bouncing your body heat and moisture back at you. I sleep on a thing that's more often used as a sofa and my solution to the annoyingly placed dips is to add a 4" foam mattress topper. I made a few modified duvet doodads that hold the foam firmly in a slide-in lower compartment and a comforter in a top one. It becomes top and bottom sheet all in one and is easy to wash. I added a removable padded mattress cover to the foam as well, some come with one. You can roll up the whole arrangment and tuck it away during the day so you don't have visible bedding cluttering up the place. With a slick surface underneath you'd have to make some kind of anchoring system to keep from sliding off. Also makes a handy extra guest bed on it's own. You could also use a thinner foam.
As a designer who values other designers work, I find it disgusting that you would post on a design forum that you are looking for a "reproduction"; Which is essentially a nice word for plagiarism, knock-off, and a spit in the face to Eileen Gray.
Eileen is dead.
Carolina Zhang - Get over yourself.
Most designers know that not everyone can afford their products. Otherwise there wouldn't be reproductions at all. Almost every famous designer has copies of their work out there.
@Carolina Zhang: not only is Eileen Gray dead, every right anyone could have had have long expired. Do you also post on how a affordable version of Shakespeare's "Romeo and Juliet" is a spit in Shakespeare's face?
Two things: (1) looks great but I'd bet the price it would be totes uncomfortable for more than just a nap. Go for a real daybed, as in with a real mattress. Waking up every morning with a sore back isn't worth it, no matter how great it looks. And (2) black leather and chrome isn't original, Grey did not break new ground when she herself designed this so looking for something similar isn't the same as spitting in her face. Tone down the drama sister.
That is a great looking day bed, but without adding a mattress topper, those bumps and divots would be uncomfortable I'm sure. You might also take a look at the Tillary sofa from West Elm. It's all one piece cushion with no buttons would avoid any of those button divot problems, and you can order additional slipcovers too. Not quite as cool design-wise as the
Eileen Gray piece, but it is on sale right now.
One more thing, Zhang, on Oct. 18th you praised ("kick a$$ tutorial!!!") a tutorial on this site that showed to how to almost exactly copy a rug sold at Anthropologie. Hypocrite much?
That looks hella uncomfortable.
I would not use that to sleep on unless it was the last bed on earth.
Hi. You could always use a temperpedic type topper, twin size. It can be rolled up and tied and slipped underneath when not in use. They are a bit pricey but the comfort is priceless. My two cents.
If you put sheets on it to sleep on, would it end up looking like a regular bed? or would you take them off every day? Seems like that could get annoying. Maybe you could get some kind of foamy mattress-like thing (maybe a futon pad?) to put on top that the sheets would stick to and remove that every day.
Personally, I would go with a regular mattress.
*facepalm* I know Eileen Grey is dead, DUH.
OMG, It's sooo not the same thing! You're comparing the of support manufacturers who blatantly knock-off designer work and to hand-make something inspired by something you love and cant afford. If she want to try and hand make that day bed, more power to her. My issue here is with the support of companies who make a fast buck off other designers intellectual property.
Oh, so just because I have ideals I need to "get over myself" And just because everyone else does it it is ethical? pssshhhh..
Ms. Zhang, you have alienated enough posters here. Time to bow out.
You can phrase and rephrase it however you want to Princess Hack, but copying is copying no matter who is doing the copying. So move on already, there's like 5 new posts on the main page you can leave ugly comments on.
To add, Ms. Zhang, going by your past comment supporting people's right to smoke, "If they don't like your smoke they can close their door ", if you don't like what's posted, just pull the curtain, specially when you know you have such a lovely mouth.
Donald,
Why are you insulting me?
"No matter how you rephrase it," it's theft. Oh and FYI, that tutorial you keep going on about was on how to make a rug out of a tarp. It had nothing to do with ripping off designer work. I hardly call a 2D image of chevron print intellectual property and I really don't think you understand how the industry works and why its unethical.
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/knockoffs-flattery-or-theft-ap-149725
I love how you people are stalking my profile. Obviously I hit a nerve. My intention was not to insult anyone here. With all due respect, I won't close the door on something that i think is ethically wrong.
OK, on the reproductions issue, if you like the design, can't afford the "real thing, and affordable repros or similar options are available, it's a personal choice. I have repro Barcelona chair. I like it. I don't claim it's "real". van der Rohe is long dead, and I don't much care about "licensed" designs owned by a manufacturer long after the designer is gone. (I do respect copyright limitations.) But if the copy is not illegal (as in forgeries), it's my ethical dilemma to decide. No spitting involved.
On the daybed issue, upholstered leather cushions designed to be firm enough to continually hold a strong rectangular shape are going to be very hard. As some have suggested, making a topper witih bedding to fit might adapt it each night for sleep, if you like a very firm mattress, but this might be a situation where your design preferences have to bend to accomodate your comfort. You sleep 8 hours a night, probably are at work or school a large part of the day, so do you want to suffer all night (and the next day!) for the way the place looks for the few hours you are there and awake? Priorities!!!
That said, maybe you could find a twin platform bed with chrome legs (or swap them out, or paint the frame silver) and have a tailor make you a custom slipcover for the mattress that gives a similar effect, either from real leather or from faux. Get a couple of straight-lined bolsters to match to fill out some of the cushion depth when you sit on it... That way you could get a normal mattress but a similar tailored look.
Why don't you get a twin mattress and put it on a cool platform? You can make it into a sofa during the day by adding a fun cover and bolster pillows. Just an idea.
The daybed doesn't look comfortable enough to sleep on long term. If space permits i would suggest a twin bed.
@CarolinZhangDesign-the by*tch comment was more of an insult than anything else.
wow, easy! As someone that is normally against knockoffs I get what you are saying but wow! Eileen Gray is long gone and I am sure the family will not see any of the money coming in from new sales.
Tacky as it was, I had no idea that using the term disgusting was so foul and offensive, it should be listed as a curse word.
All debate about knockoffs aside, I love how "clicking on a person's profile to get a feel if they are a reasonable human being" gets turned into "stalking" in some people's eyes. It's not like anyone tracked you to facebook or other social media to find that X years ago you said Y which is clearly in contradiction to Z.
Bob, perhaps you can find one in a showroom somewhere and lay down on it? Or just find a leather sofa with this sort of flatness. Or if this is a bit rare to find, maybe a mies van de rohe daybed instead, just as a test of the concept. (I rather like the mies van de rohe daybed, but it seems rather uncomfortable, especially with that bolster... then again, I haven't laid down on one myself.)
1) Get a twin bed/mattress that is comfortable for you to sleep on. 2) Get a good upholstery shop to make a cover piece like the top piece of the photo that you posted so that you can put it on top when you have company over/are entertaining. 3) Have the upholstery shop use the same fabric to make you a fitted sheet(s) out of the same fabric/material over the mattress for when you have company over/are entertaining.
Bob, the Eileen Gray daybed is indeed handsome. However, if you are looking for a comfortable sleeping solution, I don't think it's a good choice. And personally, I wouldn't invest in custom made covers and sheets, either. Chances are you won't be in the studio apartment forever. The practical side of me says not to have something that you can't use elsewhere. I'd go for just a daybed, with either a plain, metal frame or a simple platform of some kind. I'd put a simple, tailored cover on it and some bolsters and throw pillows. You can use it for seating and for a bed at night. A black, charcoal, or navy cover would be neutral and you could go with many color options for accessories. If you like the idea of black leather, shop for a good-looking, comfortable black leather chair for your studio. Check out some sources on the internet, and I'll bet you come up with an alternative you like. Good luck.
not quite the same style, but i've previously considered purchasing the Lubi Daybed ($899) by CB2. Perhaps that will work for you?
http://www.cb2.com/lubi-graphite-sleeper-daybed/f5939
For anything that you will be sleeping on every night, I think you really have to go to the store and test it out. Lie down on it, spend a little time on it. Otherwise you could end up spending a lot of money on something that's not comfortable and that's not returnable.
I think a twin mattress, either on a daybed frame or a very simple bed frame, with bolsters and pillows to make it comfortable to sit on is probably the way to go if you want a comfortable bed.
With every bed/sofa combination that I've encountered, you sacrifice either sleeping comfort or sitting comfort. I'd go with the good night's sleep, myself. And maybe get a comfortable chair, as well.
I was going to recommend the Lubi daybed too, a friend of mine has it as guest's bed and it's really confortable
As someone who once had an Eileen Gray daybed, I can attest that it is not a piece designed for sleeping. It's a pretty piece, but that's about it.
@3hree
Case closed, I guess!
I must admit, I'm not sure I get this daybed. I mean, the backless-sofa nature of it, since it... sort of has a back, I guess? What is that even for, to lift yourself up, or maybe drape a throw over?
Having spent some time in very small studios in my day, I understand the dilemma between form and function (as well as designer tastes on a limited budget...good taste and modest incomes are a reality!) and the need to have pieces which serve several purposes. I used a good quality feather bed over a vintage tufted daybed, which also made packing up the bed very easy. Good luck, whatever you choose!
That looks like it would be way uncomfortable. I had a studio and slept on a futon- I LOVED it and actually miss it now that I have a bed.
As a human being who values other people, I find it disgusting that you would post a comment like this... Wanting to have a similar look at a reasonable price is not a spit in the face of anyone, it's being sensible with the budget you have. I find your comment uncalled for and unprofessional. I would certainly not take any design advice from you if your comments reflect your general way of thinking when it comes to what you are supposed to be good at and work in. People skills is a lost art...
It's very tasteful. Who needs to sleep anyway. I say get it and enjoy the view. If you can afford an original, you can always sell it later.
How about the Encore convertible sofa from Room and Board? $900. Gotten good reviews for sleeping as is, though one reviewer also makes the interesting suggestion to lay a sleeping bag over it.
http://www.roomandboard.com/rnb/product/detail.do?productGroup=3090&catalog=filter&menuCatalog=room&menuCategory=201&menuSubcategory=196#ReviewHeader
(they also have some very nice-looking, pricier leather convertible sofabeds that I was pricing back before I wound up moving from a jr.1BR to a 1 bedroom place some yrs ago)
Seriously?
Aram Designs holds the license for all Eileen Gray designs. Here is how the company responded elsewhere on the web to someone who wanted to purchase a reproduction of its products:
www.styleforum.net/t/296734/eileen-gray-dressing-table-petite-coiffeuse/0_20#post_5391819
It's a reasonable response and a good read for anybody curious about the topic of reproductions.