We had the opportunity to first hear Peter Walsh speak at a NAPO convention 2 years ago and boy was he inspiring, down to earth and most of all, he was able to make the organizing process accessible and relatable. So you can imagine our excitement when we had the chance to speak to him recently about all things organizing--especially when it relates to the bedroom closet.
Apartment Therapy: A lot of folks use Apartment Therapy as a resource and guide when decorating and organizing their homes. Because a majority of Apartment Therapy readers are apartment dwellers, they usually have small closets (and a small budget) but the desire to create a great solution. What are some unconventional or tried and true tips that you use when organizing a client's bite sized closet (after serious editing of the clothes)?
Peter Walsh: I get nervous when we start talking about and giving organizing tips because it's almost never about the stuff. For me, it's about changing an individual's mindset. The space is fixed and the client has to have a clear understanding of that. By giving tips and not addressing the problem, we're reinforcing helplessness. It's important to embrace the knowledge of the space and honor and respect that (just as you do your relationships). If you don’t honor and respect the dimensions of your space, it will sour quickly – much like a relationship. In addition, there's an analogy I like to use; think about a washing machine. You throw laundry in your washing machine. You run the machine for 20 minutes. You then turn off the machine and leave it for a week. You end up with a stinky, smelly mess. That's because you haven't finished the cycle. It's the same thing with anything else in your home. If you open something, close it. If you wear something and take it off, put it in the hamper or put it away. If you finish something, replenish it. This is called finishing the cycle and if you get in the habit of doing this with anything that you start to do you'll discover that it's much easier to maintain organization in your home.
Apartment Therapy: Shoe storage seems to be quite the hot topic for Apartment Therapy readers. We've discussed everything from where to store them to repurposing just about every piece of furniture to house them. What's the best shoe storage solution you've seen and applied? And just for our readers--is your home rule, shoes off or on in the house?
Peter Walsh: There's no real rule for shoes on or off in our home but I'm most comfy with wearing shoes in the home (black slate floors are cold on the bare feet). But honestly, it's whatever you feel most comfortable with in your home. As far as storage solutions for the shoes, I really like this online company out of Canada called ShoeStor.com. The boxes ship flat and are great for stacking shoes vertically. The clear acrylic boxes allow you to see what's stored at a glance. But I always try and push people to think vertically and hang high shelving. And you don't have to go out and buy clear boxes to get organized (which can be expensive). You can use the shoe boxes you already have and put a picture of the shoes on the outside of the shoe box. A small step ladder goes a long way in helping to reach items stored high up and lighting will help illuminate a small, dark closet.
Apartment Therapy: As a professional organizer, I realize that a lot of organizing is about accountability and maintenance. The ability for a client to get in there and do the routine work that will keep the systems in place. What are your tips/solutions for keeping folks inspired to keep going and continue doing the work?
Peter Walsh: 1. Think small--that's what getting organized is all about. Start with the bedside table and organize one little area at a time--and commit to keeping that space organized. If you have a series of small victories you will build the confidence to continue getting organized.
2. Establish a regular routine and make it part of your day to get and stay organized.
3. Finish the cycle. Remember that if you get something out, put it away--if you dirty a dish, wash it or put it in the dishwasher. Combine that with committing to small steps, and establishing a routine, and get into your head that you need to “finish the cycle."
*Peter is currently paired up with California Closets on Facebook where contestants can win custom closet solutions and the expert advice and help of Peter (he'll be making a house call).
(Images: 1. California Closets, 2-5 Courtesy of Peter Walsh (Peter's very cool and hip Los Angles home complete with before and after pics).
--Thanks Peter!!






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If the post is about closets - why are 4 of the pictures non-closet related?
bepsf - lookingat the credits, I see that the photos are of Mr. Walsh's home. Tangentially-related, I guess.
Very nice post. Alot of useful information.
Who the heck has 2 feet of closet hanging space with 6 items hanging in it?
Looks pretty but has nothing to do with organization or a realistic way to store ones clothing.
I'd like to see more of his house.
Love the oar.
I'm only good about completing the cycle if I am at someone else's house. At home, it's out the window.
Shoes off! :D I don't even know why someone would want to wear shoes... it's not that comfortable either.
The cycle mindset is a nice idea and one I will put into practice.. much nicer to think about it that way than 'nag nag nag, wash up, pick your clothes up off the floor...'
The closet above, agreed, is pretty but impossible! That wouldn't even hold a fifth of my clothes. I need a solution for MAXIMUM hanging space that only takes up one wall and doesn't involve me having to spend money I don't have on a wardrobe or 'storage system' (always pretty but usually out of my budget).
And shoes on. Our kitchen floor is not comfy underfoot... though I always take shoes off in the living room because the wooden floors would make our neighbours' lives a nightmare if we didn't.
"completing the cycle" is a brilliant concept. this puts a name on my discomfort whenever dishes are left in the sink and socks are on the floor.
Gosh, that's so true about completing the cycle. I have a friend who is terribly unorganized (she gets electricity shut offs not because she doesn't have the money, but because she can't find where she put the bill). Her house is total chaos and she leaves cabinet doors open (which I find menacing for some reason -- I feel really uncomfortable when a kitchen cabinet is left open).
This post really describes what's going on with her.
Ditto what bridmw said.
Yeah, I am kind of tired of seeing all these photos of perfectly organized closets holding like 5 items (elfa is notorious for this as well). maybe we are material-obssessed, ever-consuming Americans with regard to this, but how many people have fewer than 10 hanging items and like 4 sweaters? I was trying to buy hangers the other day and did a quick inventory of my own closet and realize I have 30 work-appropriate shirts. 30!!! And I don't think I am out of the ordinary even for a guy. And who in their right mind reserves an entire large cubby for 1 pillow? You could fit an entire spare bedding in there.
I understand it looks great for showing off the bones of the closet, but come on. As someone who lives in a very small space, my closet is filled with all kinds of stuff that doesn't belong -- golf clubs, light bulbs, toilet paper, textbooks, suitcases, etc. Yet these seem conspicuously absent from most stylized photoshoots.
@Scoot --
You're so right - I have to remind myself when I get the catalogs for clothing that as much as I might want more (and I do wear them all) I simply don't have room in my closet for any more clothes!
@Scoot
I completely agree with you.
All those ads for "closet systems" that contain one-tenth (at the most) of what the average person really owns and cost downright funny money to have installed finally drove me to customize my two bedroom closets on my own. Six-to-eight foot lengths of wire shelving are cheap at the big boxes, and easily cut with bolt cutters. (Cover them with heavy plastic sheeting—a la Elfa—for a smooth surface.) Wood isn't expensive. Various Home Depot melamine (or whatever) vertical shelving units with drawers, etc. and hanging canvas holders will serve you just fine with proper planning. Anchor weights, molly bolts and a drill for affixing it all to the closet walls, new metal rods instead of wood so hangers glide smoothly, bright white gloss paint throughout to reflect light—and you're done.
The one thing planning-wise that really made a difference for me ran in the NY Times a couple of years ago. Got deep black holes of dead space on either side of the door opening that stuff disappears into? Reinstall single or double rods in that dead space, but running front to back instead of side to side. Everything is visible, reachable and has nowhere to get lost. Plus there is room in the middle for a small dresser or shoe storage. Total cost for both: about $300. And the bolt cutters have come in handy since. I'm sorry, but I look at Elfa and laugh.
Everytime there is an article about storage, it's the same gripe: How can you talk about me being organized and purging when I have so little space to hold the things I "need" properly in the first place? I'd think that the ideas about finishing what you start, putting things away, hanging your clothes so you can find them would be self evident, and helpful reminders. The defeatist attitude that it's unrealistic because one chooses to have more things than their space can hold, or to not get a space adequate enough to hold their things, doesn't make much sense. There's just no good reason to have your clothes mashed beyond recognition in a closet (that YOU chose)unless that's just how you want to live. Makes you rethink the validity of the post a few weeks ago about New Yorkers keeping clothes in the kitchen. At least the priorities are clear and consistent, and they aren't complaining! As for me, I just keep what I can house. Not too much, not too little. And I didn't choose the sunny side of the street and proximity to work in exchange for one linen-size closet. I made a decision with all those kinds of things in mind.
Next: cue the "Well, i only have one shirt and two pairs of pants anyway in my modest abode." That would be the other extreme...
I like the cycle analogy; I know I have a tendency to leave things half finished and need to retrain myself. Takes me back to 7th grade home ec when the french toast wasn't finished until the sink traps were emptied and the floor was swept.
I don't think those of us with lots of clothes should keep beating ourselves up as excessively materialistic. I think if you have only 3-4 shirts and seven pairs of shoes as in the photo, AND you believe in the one in-one out rule, if you have any interest in varying your look periodically you're going to be looking at a heck of a lot of turnover. Buying and discarding constantly. Yes, my clothes spill over into the guest room closet, but I still wear clothes I've had for twenty years because I take a break from them every now and then, not because I give them away if they haven't suited me in the last six months.
donna: the problem isn't that I don't have room to hold all my clothes or I have more than I can store but that I would like a good organizational system to hold my clothes (and possibly other things like suitcases) so that I can access the clothes I need easily. however, every single closet organization example on this site (or in most other places) have closets designed for approximately 2 dozen things. How can that translate to a relevant source of inspiration for someone who has several dozen pairs of shoes? [even splitting most of my clothes into seasonal, its a lot left to deal with each season]
Also, this organization guru is crazy. Putting your shoes high up in a closet means that you will rarely go up there to grab the pair you want to wear unless you are one of those people who plan all your outfits for the week on the weekend and take out the shoes in preparation. Although, I do put photos of my shoes on all the boxes so that I know whats in them. I really recommend that if you have space to keep the boxes.
This is helpful. Especially keeping in mind to "finish the cycle."
I should put those words somewhere for me to be reminded.
Thanks! :D