Name: Jenika and Robert
Location: Westchester, California
Size: 1,000 square feet
Years lived in: 2 months
Jenika and her boyfriend, Robert, had been living in Los Angeles for 4 years and desperately wanted to have a house of their own. Knowing how expensive real estate is in Los Angeles, they knew that they would have to find a great fixer. Jenika and Robert, with the help of her parents, purchased a small home in Westchester that needed a lot of work. Fortunately, Jenika's father is a general contractor and he was up for the challenge.
Jenika's father gathered all his tools and temporarily moved out West into the distressed property. He began to renovate the home day by day. Jenika and Robert kept a diary of the progress of their home over the entire 6 months. With Jenika's interior design background and her father's technical skills, the result was a beautifully designed home in 6 months. Jenika's dream was complete - designing her own home in her style and working alongside her father.
AT Survey:
My/Our style: Hard to say! I guess I like classic architectural backgrounds with a mix of new and vintage furniture and accessories.
Inspiration: The year it was built, 1944.
Favorite Element: The tile floors in the bathrooms, everyone asks if they're original.
Biggest Challenge: Choosing between options for everything; colors, patterns, and sizes. I can do it for my clients in a second, but for myself it was agony.
What Friends Say: It's less verbal and more emotional. It's great to see the expressions on their faces. Most of them kept up with my home improvement blog and saw what the house was to begin with so when they walk in now their eyes just kind of light up.
Biggest Embarrassment: I'm not embarrassed about anything in my house. If I were it wouldn't last for long. I will say that my least favorite piece is the living room sofa. My boyfriend and I bought it ages ago when we thought we'd only have it for a couple months. Not to worry however, a blue velvet replacement is on the way :)
Proudest DIY: My window coverings for sure. I made them without sewing one bit. Just some Ikea fabric, screen molding, staples and twine.
Biggest Indulgence: Definitely the natural stone countertops. They're pricey but they're worth it, they'll look good and last forever.
Best advice: Wait and accumulate, from my best friend. Not everything can be done in one fell swoop, you need to get to know your house before you can buy a lot of things like artwork or accessories. I completely agree. I'd rather not have anything, then fill space with stuff that means nothing.
Dream source: Anthropologie.
Resources:
Appliances:
Refrigerator - Jenn Air
Microwave - Kitchenaid
Dishwasher - Kenmore
Range - Fratelli Onofri
Washer and Dryer - LG
Hardware:
Kitchen - Restoration Hardware
Knobs - Lugarno in Polished Nickel
Pulls - Gilmore in Polished Nickel
Bathroom - Pottery Barn (came w/ vanity)
Doorknobs - Emtek
Furniture:
Living Room Sofa and Coffee Table - Jennifer Convertibles
Dining Room Set - Craigslist (painted by us)
Bed 1 (Brown) Side Tables - Jennifer Convertibles
Master Bed (Coral) Tables and Dresser - Hand me downs
Master Bath Vanity - Pottery Barn
Accessories:
Kitchen Book Stand - Home Goods
Kitchen Soap Basket - Anthropologie
Master Bed Various Frames - Target
Master Bed Old Fan - Flea Market
Master Bath Soap Pump - Restoration Hardware
Lighting:
Kitchen Semi-Flush Mounts - Rejuvenation "Jefferson" in Oil Rubbed Bronze
Dining - Rejuvenation "Fifth Avenue" in Oil Rubbed Bronze
Bed 1 - Fan- Restoration Hardware "Riverside Hills" in Oil Rubbed Bronze
Master Bath - Restoration Hardware "Chatham" Sconce in Polished Nickel
Powder Bath - Ikea
Rugs and Carpets:
Living Room - Natural Carpet Company - Abaca Rug
Master Bath - Anthropologie
Tiles and Stone:
Bathroom Tile Floors and Walls - Tile Shop - Lanka Glossy White 3 x 6
Bathroom Stone - Arizona Tile - Calcutta Oro
Kitchen Stone - Arizona Tile - Indian Premium Black
Kitchen Tile - Tile Shop - Lanka Glossy White 3 x 8
Window Treatments:
Fabric from Ikea
Artwork:
Master Bedroom - Gustav Klimt Re-print from a Thrift Store
Paint:
All interiors: Behr from Home Depot
Kitchen - Mountain Haze
Dining - Studio Taupe
Living - Pensive Sky
Bed 1 - Antique Earth
Master Bed - Youthful Coral
Master Bath - April Mist
All Molding - Polar Bear
Exterior:
Main - Bitter Chocolate
Doors and Shutters - "Pouring Copper" by Dunn Edwards
White Trim - "Polar Bear" by Behr
Flooring:
Kitchen - Armstrong Vinyl Tile
(Thanks, Jenika and Robert!)



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I am soooo jealous of all your gorgeous moldings and trim! You guys really paid a lot of attention to all the details and it really shows. Gorgeous home.
where is the wallpaper in the guest bath from?
Very pretty! I love the bright orange/peachy color used! Also, where did you get the top piece on your washer/dryer? I have front loaders and I cannot get them to stay still, maybe a piece like that to hold them together would help.
Your home is beautiful - I love all of the white subway tile. The exterior colors are gorgeous, too!
Totally perfect and original. I LOVE the continuation of the outside palette into the interior, and repeating elements like the striped window coverings. Love the kitchen, love the bathroom, love it all.
Really beautiful. Love your color choices!
I, too, am a huge fan of the repeat of the striped window coverings. The exterior palette is a bold choice but i've never seen anything more beautiful - I especially love how the awning plays off of the shutters and door. This is one of the most enjoyable home tours I've seen on AT. Thank you!
Please call me first if you decide to sell. PERFECT.
I love it! I grew up in the area and have been inside a lot of little bungalows just like that around Los Angeles. This is such a refreshing beautiful renovation that embraced the the original beauty of the home. Thank you for restoring it so lovingly. We need more of this in LA rather than the McMansion syndrome! Congrats.
i love this home. this might be my favorite tour ever. excellent job, really beautiful. can your dad do some with my rental??
Do you have a tutorial available for the window coverings? They're fantastic!
Crisp, fresh, gorgeous! I love the repetition of the BW valances. Very cohesive color palette, but still has some surprises. This is really well done and has a nice, "permanent" feel to it.
I have a very similar palette, but was missing some of the details shown here. Thanks so much for the inspiration! Now I know how to bring it all together!
I like the color choices as well. This house has such a nice cheerful feel overall. It's a similar style and size to my house but much prettier. I need a dad who can come in and help me remodel! :(
Btw, it's "one fell swoop" not "foul swoop." Heh. Although it might be "foul" if you did it in one fell swoop. :)
Really lovely. Your hard work shows.
This is a lovely house. Is there a link to your blog? I'd like to see some before pictures if possible.
I love both of your bathrooms--I'll probably get a sample of the master bath color this weekend--I'm looking for something like for my kitchen.
Thanks for posting the paint colors, by the way.
very inspiring! You've given me a lot of ideas for our new house. I agree, about waiting to buy things. It's so hard though.
I hav a suggestion for the house tours, which I love.
Why don't you put the descriptions with the pictures?
That way, I don;t have to go back and forth trying to figure out what I liked or where something is from.
There are some house tours that have descriptions and I always like that part.
I could really envision myself living in this house. Wonderful job! I love no sew ideas and would love to know how you did your window coverings as well.
sorry about my misspellings above
Delightful bungalow! Really enjoyed the small and whimsical quotes of forties style- the tiny bird salt&peppers, bird-motif pillows & bath mat. Just enough for a loving wink, not a heavy historical hand. Charmingly appropriate bathroom wallpaper and marble work!
I am totally stealing the exterior paint color. Love the striped shades too. Now...to convince the husband...
Love it! What a great renovation.
What a lovely and sensitive reno. Subway tile, yum. And your window treatments are kind of genius. Do you have instructions anywhere for that?
Yes, Please tell us what the link is to your blog. I'd like to see before pictures too!
Simple. Elegant. BRAVO!
this is fabulous! I loved the teaser photos and fell even more for the place when I saw that it was painted dark charcoal!! very brave of you to do in California ;)
you've kept with such classic touches throughout the house and your hardwork has paid off. that kitchen is timeless and the bathroom is so charming! it looks as though you're taking your own advice in the living room (wait to accumulate- LOVE IT), but I'm sure it'll be drool-worthy with time.
I have to know: whats the story with the chair in the living room? did you upholster it or find it that way? is it velvet or something similar to a Besarabian?
http://www.mylittleapartment.blogspot.com/
Thanks for all the compliments everyone! We weren't expecting this to be posted for another week so we're a bit unprepared, but I'll try to answer the questions I can as best as possible. Please keep in mind i'm not the designer, she is ;)
@BlackFrancine: Not sure if links are allowed in the comments but our blog is at http://nomoremauve.com
@fuhshoko: We found it online, I don't have the url handy but I'll ask Jenika to post it when I see her.
@KatHord: It's just another piece of stone that matches the one in the kitchen. It doesn't really hold it down though. There is usually adjustable legs on the underside of the appliance, it could be moving around a lot because those are not making contact with the ground.
@citipearl: You're gonna have to wait a couple years for that! :)
@terio: I feel you, I hate seeing those McMansions sprouting up everywhere. Luckily there is only one of them on our block.
@bodicegoddess: There isn't one. YET. But that's a great idea for a blog post! I can tell you from watching them being made it was easy, and they look even better in person.
Your home is beautiful! Where is the bathroom wallpaper from?
@elauinc: Good luck!!! It took a couple months for the color to grow on me. Not that my opinion mattered… hahaha.
@Cassis: We'll be sure to post some soon. Maybe this weekend.
@typwc: http://nomoremauve.com
@my little apartment: Thanks for all the compliments! Jenika knows more about the chair, I'll get on her right now to post some answers here :)
LOVE the master bathroom! (And the whole rest of the house too!)
Wow, what an incredibly lovely home. I could easily have looked at 20 more photos in the tour. Like others have said, it's obvious that you really love it and loved the work that went into restoring it. It looks like every decision, no matter how small, was made with care. I see the subway tile / schoolhouse pendant thing all over the place, but it looks absolutely perfect and natural here. I would be so proud of this home if it was mine.
Wow, thanks for the positive feedback everyone!! This really was a labor of love and to know that you all appreciate the work is so gratifying.
Robert did a great job of answering all of the questions but I've got some specifics for you,
Powder Bath Wallpaper is Seraphine in Alpine from Romo, locally rep'd by Thomas Lavin.
The washer and dryer top is just a slab of granite with a plywood sub top and finished edge. We didn't secure it in case we ever have to access the plumbing behind the units. It's so nice to have that flat surface to use for folding and sorting clothes.
I will most certainly give you all a tutorial on the window coverings!! I know it's tough to find pre-made panels or shades that you like and they're always pricier than you expect. These are not polished by any means but they do the trick and it's kind of fun to tell people you made them yourself :) PLUS, they're so cheap you can change them every couple of months.
If any of you are really serious about needing a contractor feel free to call my dad Ken, Kurtz Construction located in Palm Desert, CA.
My apologies for the incorrect usage of foul vs. fell! My mother is going to be appalled!
Feel free to stop by the blog, nomoremauve.com. It's been a while since the last update because things have been pretty hectic but now I'm definitely motivated to get some new stuff posted :)
Thanks again everyone for your feedback!!
you have to tell us about your sink with the metal base. I'm renovating a home from the 40s and have been hunting these down forever! That one looks really unique!
Beautiful home but how can we truly appreciate your father's talent without some "before" pics?
You've got a wonderful dad, you're very lucky. The house looks amazing especially the kitchen and bathroom.
@canadian_ginger: here's the sink,
http://www.kitchenbath.com/cheviot_consoles.htm
I left off the side rails on mine because i felt like they were too much.
@sassydo: TONS of before pics on my blog :)
Soooo jealous! Best home tour yet!
Kohler makes such a statement! I love the Kohler fixtures. It shows that Kohler is important even in a small bath. They should use this house for a showroom.
BRA-VO! I love everything about this house. So much inspiration. This is exactly what I hope for when I click on an AT house tour.
I feel honored to have the privilege to share Jenika and Robert's beautiful home with Apartment Therapy readers. Thank you Jenika and Robert!
This is wonderful. You have such and amazing sense of color. I grew up hating orange and brown because I saw them as being so dingy and 70s, but they way you used them, they look crisp and clean.
From the outside, your home is adorable...but the interior looks as if it's been professionally staged--and by that I mean, it doesn't look lived in at all. Too stuffy and put together. You should be a stager-you have a knack for it!
beautiful job. I love all the rooms except LR and dining. They just don't look lived in. No books, plants, personal items, etc. I'm sure they'll get "broken in" with time.
PS love your name
jannika :)
Can't wait to see the tutorial on the window coverings!!! You will post it won't you? Hehe.
AT: I agree with brooklynjennie; I would love to see descriptions with each picture. It was done on J&J's saturated home, and I really enjoyed that!
Jenika and Robert: you're killing us! This house is PERFECT. You have done an incredible job and made your home such a beautiful space. Love it ALL!!! Thanks for sharing. :)
This home probably had tons of potential. It looks fine, but it looks like any other redone home. What happened to the original vintage kitchen? Was it ripped out ?it's sad to see all the beautiful old homes get redone. It takes away from the original charm. With that said your home is nice but I much prefer original look of old homes.
How great is Jenika's dad? Knowing how he moved in to help out makes me love the house even more. It's beautiful. I especially love the kitchen and bathroom. That bathroom wallpaper is a-mazing. Wow. You also did a fantastic job with the outside colors. Love!
@Mikey1234: Completely agree, but the house was a complete wreck, and had been partially redone around the 70's. See the "original" kitchen here: http://nomoremauve.com/232/kitchen-update/
I looked at the before pictures, and all I can say is: you are brave, and your dad is awesome. I love all of it, especially the color choices. It amazes me "blue dominant, orange accent," as in the living room, is not done more often. It's serene and enlivening at the same time.
I've gone through this gorgeous house tour three times, and each time find more to love and more to inspire me. And I'm enjoying "catching up" over at your blog, too!
I love the light fixture with the candles in the orange bedroom. Where is it from?
Wow! I covet your stove something fierce. And the wallpaper in the bathroom is one of the prettiest I've ever seen. Definitely a 40's vibe to the place and I think the blue velvet sofa will be a perfect foil to the orange. And yes, it is so hard to make a decision for your own home when you're a designer!
I love the way it looks both new and old at the same time, crisp, hard edges, bold colors, but lovely moldings & details. Your choice of materials is spot on. Major bathroom envy (I'm preparing for a reno of mine).
But have you not hung art yet, or will you not? I miss it.
Mickey1234, really, one look at the "before" makes it pretty obvious why they had to gut the kitchen and so much else. I too love old, intact houses but a lot of nasty stuff goes on inside some of them. Their kitchen really did look like a meth lab and whoever lived there had not put the love and care into it that some people do with their homes.
I personally dislike when people take a "good enough" home and redo it just for aesthetics--but it's pretty obvious that is not what happened here. The pictures on their blog made my skin crawl.
Simply beautiful inside and out and Jenika's Dad deserves the Father of the Year award.
Westchester...home to LAX...how's the noise level?
Yep, I agree, Jenika's dad must be amazing! The thoughtful details and color palette make the house just beautiful. Talk about color therapy. Plus, I love the golden hues you have. Where did you get the Klimt poster? You've pulled everything together so nicely. Fabulous job!
LOVE the colors/materials used in both bathrooms! Especially the floral wallpaper-it's feminine, without being TOO feminine.
I particularly love the bathroom renovations. They are done so tastefully and in keeping with the period. So many bathroom updates look good now, but will be dated in a few years. I'm saving these photos in my "inspiration folder" for when I have the money to redo the bathrooms in my house.
Fantastic combination of soothing elements and visual interest. I loved looking at the photo tour, and respect the deft choices obvious throughout. Oh, the lasting power of subtlety!
Love it all! Except the window treatments. I find them extremely jarring in such a mellow and comfy looking space. The concept is great, just not the right place for it.
OMG - I grew up in Westchester. Somehow you can always tell by the style of home where it is located. We lived on Chase Ave - near Loyola Marymount. Same fireplace and oven - though ours was a cool aqua to go with our in-kitchen curved aqua formica bar (and range top and refrigerator).
Very hip in 1961 when we remodeled.
Congrats on your home. Westchester was a great little place to grow up. Safe, cozy, everyone knew who everybody else was, close to the beach - and every Mom had a right to scold every kid for doing something they shouldn't. And no one got upset about it. One Mom = every Mom!
I was awe-strucked by the lovely creamsicle wall and b/w curtains in the intro-picture at HELLO.
While each room by itself is lovely and tastefully decorated...the house leaves me unwanting with a feeling of a void personality of a Stefford Wife.
The repetitive Orange-Black&White theme from the front door to the bedroom gives me a flashback of painting by number.
It's a beautifully staged house for Century-21 but I cant sense personality or vitality.
I love this house - so inspirational! The color palette is so refreshing and I love the textiles you have chosen. The bathroom is a dream!
Absolutely stunning! Not one thing I didn't love. Enjoy your beautiful home :)
brooklynjennie and nomadchicky - your comments are noted. Yes, it is a great idea to put discriptions with the photos. I will include descriptions for my next house tour.
Beautiful home! I love the Romo wallpaper in the bathroom!
J & R-
I am the one that grew up in Westchester - what street are you on? Just curious. Love that place - I hope the memories you make will be as wonderful as mine.
you can email me the street: christinemcelroy@rocketmail.com
I don't get why they used the same black and white window treatments in so many rooms. Great otherwise.
I can't believe your dad did all that for/with you. What an incredible gift, and how much he must love his little girl. That, to me, is the best part of your unbelievably beautiful home. Thanks so much for sharing.
What a lucky daughter. :) The only thing that bothers me is the mirror over the bed in lieu of any headboard. You've already got that gorgeous tomato red (a stimulating color) and adding the mirror is overkill in terms of feng shui. Plus, it IS California and I'd hate to have heavy glass over my head in an earthquake...
I stand corrected... The kitchen before did look like a mtg lab but still the new kitchen is nice but it could have been done with a more vintage look...I'm just saying...
Uh, I meant meth lab not mtg lab
Just LOVELY. perfect combination of LA glamour, vintage kitsch, and down to earth home-i-ness. i the fixtures are especially lovely. how amazing for your dad to have done this for you. very lucky indeed!
thanks again for all of the comments, complimentary AND constructive! the house is certainly not done yet and we'll be adding more layers in the coming months. artwork, pictures, life :)
i really appreciate your feedback and LOVE that we could be an inspiration to some! thank you to AT for allowing us to share in such a great forum!!
more info per some requests above,
the klimt poster is from a junk shop i found ten years ago.
not sure where the light fixture is from, we had it in storage at work for years and my boss was gracious enough to let me use it :)
living by LAX isn't bad at all, i actually kind of like the sound.
window covering (love 'em or hate 'em) tutorial coming soon at nomoremauve.com!
I love the exterior of your house and the moulding in the bathroom with the wallpaper. We are looking to do something similar in our dining room. Could you share how it was done?
Color choices are AMAZING!
Beautiful home. My favorite details were the kitchen floor, window treatments, and the guest bath (love the sink, floor, and wallpaper). Constructive criticism: could use some more art, books, and houseplants to cozy the place up and give it that lived in look.
i LOVE the master color. it's gorgeous.
I just looked at the before pics on your blog. It is amazing how much character you added to the home. You started out with the wood floors and the fire place. Then you added the living room ceiling, pony wall, paneled doors, window frames, floor boards, tiles and fixtures.
I love all of it. Love the Klimt print, the colors, window coverings. Very well put together, but not overwhelming.
But I love love love love the wallpaper in the bathroom.
Like: classical simplicity in the kitchen and bathroom - monotones in things like cupboards, countertops and tiles, then personality injected via things that are easy to change - wallpaper, paint, accessories. Very wise.
Don't like: colour choices - maybe it's the photography, but the blazing orange in the bedroom is too strong, while the blue/green in the bathroom is a little chi-chi.
To all of those commenting on Jenika & Robert's house ... thank you for all of the nice comments but I've got to clear something up.
A lot of you think I did it for her. Major correction needed here. We did it together. She's pretty darn good with a nail gun, wet saw and propane torch.
I followed every bit of her direction on the design work, and I'm blown away with what she did with it. Credit is all hers. -- Jenika's Dad (Ken)
I love it! there are so many great original details in this house which I love... it reminds me of our little house in Los Angeles (but ours is 1920's). I love the box beam ceiling, the kitchen is incredible. You took a fixer-upper and made it look like it has ALWAYS been in pristine condition... not an easy feat.
Also - the paint colors are bold and beautiful! Impressive.... good for you guys!
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Thanks for showing the outside of the house for once!
oh! one more thing, the color in the bedroom actually has more pink than you can tell in the photos. i know a lot of you are liking it as shown but i would highly recommend testing the actual color in your own place. youthful coral by behr. i've said it before and i'll say it again, i will never live in a place without some room painted this brilliant color. try it, it'll make you happy :)
I love the bathrooms especially. The wall paper is gorgeous. Where is the rug in the bathroom from (with the birds and flowers)? Cute place. I agree that the living/dining room areas look like they will become more fleshed out over the years, but overall the space is very pretty and simple.
LOVE the punchy orange on the door and shutters. Fantastic choice!
this space is an absolute dream. congrats on a fab renovation!
House is adorable. I would only comment that the remodel is done more in the style of a 1920s craftsman than a 1940s bungalow.
thanks for the inspiration. we own a 1943 cottage in the Ojai area and are just starting on fixing the poor thing up.
The only thing I don't like is the orange/peachy color on the outside.
Love the curtains. Saw the material was ikea. Did you make and did you use a pattern? If so - please share. Love the bathroom cabinet! Is it custom or stock?
Very nicely done.
This is the best house tour ever, I was literally gasping with delight at each and every photo, there was nothing I didn't like, your color choices are inspired. My daughter's bedroom is that same color and it makes it bright and fabulous. The outside of your home, it's what I see when I dream of home ownership one day.
Can you please tell me what the pale blue is paint-wise, I was all ready to go with Jicama from Ben Moore but now I think I want to re-paint our bedroom this shade, it's gorgeous.
One more thing, it's clear you appreciate your dad, that's what touched me the most. My dad is not a good dad, in fact he's a bad dad, and it made me teary that you were able to do this with your dad, let alone make such a gorgeous home for yourselves. So, hats off to your dad and hats off to you for being fortunate. I would give anything to be able to have an experience like that, but it made me feel good to know that you did. Wishing you many years of happiness in your home!
Wow. I'd never in a million years think I'd love an orange bedroom the way I do yours. How can bright orange feel so soothing? Beautiful home - you have lovely taste.
Love love love it....went through it twice....love the wall paper in the half bath----love how you carried the curtain theme through out the house despite the rooms all having their "own" decor and character--really tied it all together nicely---well done for sure!!!
Where did you get the bird pillow that's on the bed?
lanvey posted a comment about the house looking like a Century 21 staged home & couldn't be more wrong. This home has loads of style & personality.
Thank you for NOT displaying every little knick knack that strikes your fancy whether it works or not. Editing an interior is a GOOD thing & you've done that well!
I've seen so many fabulous homes on Apartment Therapy, that I've become a bit blase but this one is right up there with the best! I just love it! Especially your lovely bright bedroom!
OMG is this place uglee! Where it's not ugly, its boring. I can't believe that anyone would hire this woman to design for them. No, wait, I take that back --- the bathrooms look like the bathrooms in moderate-priced chain restaurants and hotels, so I guess that answers that question. The kitchen looks pretty good, but the subway tile really looks out of place somehow. I do admit I like the choice of colors for the exterior paint.
Lovely !. Especially love the way you've put the bathrooms together (ofcourse the rest of your home too). Definetely a goto ref for when we build our dream home * sigh ..
kushkush, she posts here. Attacks like that seem a bit unnecessary. It might not be your style, but the numerous comments here lend credence to the fact that this home is certainly not "uglee."
Agreed churumbella, kushkush, this is one of those times to follow mother's advice, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all.
We noted all the comments asking for the tutorial of how to recreate Jenika's window treatments. Today we posted Jenika's step-by-step guide, Jenika's DIY Window Coverings.
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/la/-111731
what are the exterior colors.....I would have never put these colors together.....you are brilliant!
This is so inspiring. Just gorgeous, well done!
The cage-ish candle holder in your living room is EXACTLY what I've been looking for. Where did you find it?
@91styale- bittersweet chocolate by berh and pouring copper by dunn edwards. glad you like!
@malizindle- i got that piece AGES ago at cost plus world market i believe. it's probably not there anymore but they're bound to have something similar.
I'm in love with your home. I just made an offer on a 1940's bungalow, and have been looking for ways to make it more appealing from the curb since I have a "side" entrance door like yours. You've given me a great idea!
Beautiful inside and OUT!!