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I might have to look into these; I have a couple sigg bottles, but also a couple children, which means we need more bottles.

Check these out, available in August..
http://www.korwater.com

I've been using Klean Kanteens for a couple of years now...they smoke Sigg in a number of ways:

- Significantly larger neck makes refilling/pouring much easier.

- Available in larger sizes than Sigg...I like the 40oz myself.

- Siggs developed a taste after a while...KKs never have.

- KK sells their product online...Sigg stopped doing this (and supplying any online vendors) in mid-May.

In all fairness to Sigg, their designs do trump KK. But that's it!

I've switched to pur under sink mount and i love it.

The only thing is that after 2 yrs the filter (not the insert cartridge) it self started leaking, so it needs to be replaced every once in a while.
I've contacted pur to see if they have a recycling system...even for the old cartridges....and they responded with a "we're working on it". But I guess who isn't these days, but hopefully they will get that straightened out soon

I'm thinking of getting and giving the aluminum kanteens as gifts for x-mas (a little early I know) but I live in south fla...so we'll still need our water cool. I'm guessing it'll probably also keep warm stuff warm longer as well.

anyone ever try these.

Yup, put my plastic nalgene to rest because of BPA. Got a sigg, but I should have gone with a klean kanteen instead because they are only stainless steel. The sigg's have an inner coating ("patented" so they don't say what it is-but its not metal).

My city has the 3rd highest ranking for water quality in the nation... nobody here even filters their water.

kleen kanteen also has sippies for the little ones. i have two boys and am concerned about how the toxins in plastic are apparently affecting fertility in males!!! anyway, our whole family now uses kk for everything. i bought mine on ebay.

In my area, neither Siggs nor KKs are available in stores, so I turned online. Ended up buying a Sigg, mostly because I found a design I liked. But I also remember reading that KKs have metal lids and the metal-on-metal makes horrible noise whenever you screw them on or off. Not sure if this is true or not, though.

hey! I wanted to thank the poster for the pen and teller video, not only was it informative, but I couldn't help but laugh at the ridiculous comments people make when they think they're drinking some foo foo water! hehehe it was too much!

Just an FYI: we recently put in a reverse osmosis system and educated ourselves on all the options and costs of the system. We learned the amount of water wasted is way down from what it used to be in older systems (less than an equal amount of water that is extracted). There is still wasted water, but the taste is soooooo much better than from the pitcher filters. We just use it very mindfully and use the system for just what we need to drink.

It took me a little while to get used to the taste of water from my Sigg bottle but now I'm fine with it and using one at home and one at work. In the beginning, water tasted a little funny to me and I missed my Nalgene bottle.

As for this brand, I'm happy there are more choices out there and even more emphasis on permanent containers. I've been bringing my own mug to my coffee shop for a couple of years and feel good about the impact, however small. It also helps compensate for the recyclable containers that I am occasionally forced to throw away when out and about.

I got my second Sigg bottle at Whole Foods.

Weird, I just got klean kanteens for me and my boyfriend day before yesterday. I love mine so far. I also like the looks better than the siggs.

I'm confused here. Are these containers for bicyclists and hikers?

Mentioned twice, are "toxins" and once it is mentioned that these toxins come from plastic. So I did a quick look, and swapping water bottles won't make a difference if everything else isn't swapped too...as it says on one site, anything can be poisonous, including oxygen and water, depending on the amount.

So, if you are talking about PVC, this is what is mentioned:

"PVC: Polyvinyl Chloride

Used for: Water Bottles, Salad Dressing Bottles, Detergent Bottles, Cooking Oil Bottles, Shampoo Bottles, Mouth Wash Bottles, Meat Wrap, Also: Babies’ Teething Rings, Pacifiers, Nipples and Toys (Barbie for example)."

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What about other things?

PET: Polyethylene Terephthalate
Used for: Soda Bottles, Water Bottles, Peanut Butter Jars, Cooking Oil Bottles

HDPE: High-Density Polyethylene
Used for: Milk Jugs, Detergent bottles, Plastic Bags, Yogurt Cups

LDPE: Low-Density Polyethylene
Used for: Produce Bags, Food Storage Containers

PP: Polypropylene
Used for: Bottle Caps, Drinking Straws

PS: Polystyrene
Used for: Meat Trays, Foam Take-Out Food Containers & Cups (not in Berkeley!), Foam Packing Materials

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All swiped from here:
http://www.ecologycenter.org/ptf/toxins.html

And a helpful link:
http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2002/602_plastic.html

But one doesn't have to go to the FDA, they can just zip over to Snopes for Urban Legends:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/petbottles.asp

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Oh, sure, this could end up as another asbestos nightmare. Where it was thought it was "safe" and turned out not to be.

There's a lot more to be concerned about, and that requires following news...

"FDA has issued a warning to consumers nationwide that an outbreak of Salmonella serotype Saintpaul, an uncommon type of Salmonella, has been linked to consumption of some raw red plum, red Roma, round red tomatoes, and products containing these raw tomatoes."

Source:
http://www.fda.gov/oc/opacom/hottopics/tomatoes.html

Yes, we can eat our fill of tomatoes in California and just about everywhere else. But there ARE exceptions currently.

Meanwhile...
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/la/inspiration/inspiration-decorating-with-produce-054387

I don't really know my plastics ...uh... at all. But the "puppy" thing is polyethylene and the Panton chair is polypropylene.

http://www.unicahome.com/p17653/magis/puppy-by-eero-aarnio-for-magis.html
http://www.unicahome.com/p32308/vitra/panton-junior-chair-for-kids-by-vitra.html

Is it just concern over eating/drinking and has nothing to do with touching or other contact with the plastics?

Barbies are made of a plastic called polyvinyl chloride, or PVC. Same thing Beanie Babies are stuffed with. Both of those are mentioned here:
http://www.ecomall.com/greenshopping/mtoxictoy.htm

Little green army men. Plastic. Start to looking around at all the kid's toys, and even supplies for babies...baby swings, baby seats, baby baths, plastic.

When there are plastic teething rings followed by plastic bottles that are held (and then fingers inserted into mouth) with plastic baby baths and plastic covered diapers or plastic no-leak undies and plastic high chairs and plastic booster seats. The inside of the car you may drive is probably chock full of plastic. Computer housing might be plastic.

It's NOT going to be JUST a single water bottle. It's going to be a combination of factors.

I have a Sigg because I know that the resin inside them is water-based. I am under the impression that that is the "patented" part and that they are the only bottle with a water-based resin. Contrasted to resin found in, say, canned food cans or soda cans, which contain BPA. I could be wrong.

Article on Nalgene and Sigg and the scare:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/getaways/222673_gearjunkie05.html

It's hard to find independent sources...I try to skip over any articles posted on sites that are selling the products. Just like anything else, they aren't going to bad-mouth something they are selling.

I have had both a reverse osmosis system and a standard under the sink filter. The reverse osmosis was great, but expensive. It produced water so pure, ice cubes froze clear.

However, it was very slow. To fill a cooking pot took forever.

I now have a regular under the sink filter. Two filters a year cost $60 versus the $200 I was paying before.

I had to pay to have it put in, because I am not handy. Someone with more know-how could do it themselves and save there, too.

The flow through the filter is fast and the water tastes markedly better than unfiltered (my town has well water) and the nasty stuff is filtered out.

check out www.tappening.com

pretty clever campaign

I bought a 40 oz. Kleen for hiking and I love it. Water is still the single heaviest thing to carry on your average day hike, and I find that even though it's metal that big Kleen doesn't really add much more weight then my old Platypus bag (which I ditched when it broke, and then replaced with Kleen to reduce the amount of plastic in my life).

Another vote for RO filters. Easy install, cheap price, filters that don't need to be changed often (in WLA, at least).

Sure, they can run slow sometimes (mine allows adjustment with an air pump) but the cost is exponentially lower than any other alternative I've tried.

You can also use the "grey water" created during filtration outside in the garden, if you set it up that way!

TRUE BLUE -- there is more of a concern with the plastic's chemicals leaching into food and water than there is with just touching plastics. but it's true you need to be concerned about a staggering number of products once you start thinking about plastic. and it's even more insane when you think about how dependent we've become upon household plastic in less than a century's time!

I did convince my altar guild to start storing the communion wine in Kleen Kanteen Wine Kanteen bottles. It keeps the wine fresh longer. (And we even got them on sale!)

I will put in a plug for the special Sigg cleaning brushes. Best 5$ I have spent for washing water bottles!

The metal bottles are worth the cost, indeed.