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The Dividing Line in a Bathroom

061609atlasurvey-01.jpgAlthough the Los Angeles team of editors live miles apart, we often exchange links, posts and ideas via IM and email. This morning the buzz amongst our team was about a section of the S&A Home designed by Nestor Espinosa Mitjanas. The Valencia, Spain house in itself is impressive, if not quite spacious and luxurious in execution and scale. But the detail that had our team trading opinions was about the bathroom, where the shower and toilet sections are divided only by a sheet of frosted glass...

 
 

061609atlasurvey-02.jpg"I don't like the fact that one could possibly get wet while using the restroom and the other is in the shower, or the fact that they face each other (although the glass is frosted, it's still weird for me)", was Beth's opinion about Nestor Espinosa Mitjanas S&A Home's bathroom.

Grace eloquently shares, "I am getting a 'peeing in the shower' vibe from the layout, for sure. You could do a poll about that!". Well Grace, here's the poll asking everyone if they could deal with living with a bathroom where the shower and the toilet are practically a shared space like this (so blame her if this doesn't appeal to your sense of decorum).

Personally, I don't find this all too different than most bathrooms where the shower is situated next to the toilet and the only barrier is...a frost piece of glass. Mitjanas' design simply incorporates the typical arrangement in a more integrated, form elegant layout. But then again, maybe I just wouldn't mind the show from the "seated section" and find Mitjanas' design elegant compared to most shower-in-a-tiny-cramped-box bathrooms. I also don't tend to use the bathroom while another person is "using it" either, so Beth and Grace's worries seem less of an issue. What do you think?

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I don't like mind the toliet facing the shower (that's how my current bathroom is anyway)... but I don't like the idea of being able to get wet while using the restroom.

posted by 510living on June 16th 2009 at 5:19pm
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I second that. If someone has just taken a shower, I don't want my feet to get wet if I'm going to use the toilet just afterwards...

posted by tgfoo on June 16th 2009 at 5:22pm
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When I was staying in the Greek islands, I had a bathroom with no divider between the shower and the toilet. There was just a drain in the floor. It was absolutely fine.

posted by heather77 on June 16th 2009 at 5:24pm
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I don't see how a traditional bathroom is more private. You still have a curtain or frosted glass between the shower and the other parts of it. This, looks good and appears to be functional.

posted by Hollie on June 16th 2009 at 5:25pm
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It never ceases to amaze me how americans get so weirded-out by variations in bathroom configuration. I suppose the next question is: "can you shower with a bidet looking right at ya?" !!!

Overall, I think this looks like a wonderfully practical layout -- all the areas of the bathroom that need the most frequent scrubbing (ie shower walls/floor and floor around the john) compactly located for easier cleaning. I like it.

posted by Mid-C Frank on June 16th 2009 at 5:26pm
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this is similar to an idea i have for my space, and i love it!

posted by liam. on June 16th 2009 at 5:29pm
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I like the idea of being able to hose down the toilet area. I don't use the bathroom when someone else is showering either, so that doesn't concern me either. I don't like the idea that the floor might be wet when you go to the bathroom, but if designed right that problem could be eliminated.

I guess the main reason that I like this so much is that it is a different perspective on an everyday activity.

posted by Jess2nola on June 16th 2009 at 5:32pm
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the configuration, but the computer rendering with the curved walls and the redlined divider looks better than the actual room.

posted by Boraxics on June 16th 2009 at 5:41pm
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That anyone could overlook the simplicity, practicality and space-efficiency of a design like this weirds me out.

I don't know why all bathrooms and kitchens in the US don't have simple drains in the floor? How can anyone live in a place that doesn't allow you to hose any dust, dirt and little hairs off the floor and down the drain but makes you pick it up with nasty and unsanitary mops and sponges?

Don't even get me started on those nasty vinyl shower curtains that are repositories for mold and mildew as well as sources of toxic outgassing - or cellulose sponges that people use and reuse to "clean" their bathrooms and kitchens...

posted by bepsf on June 16th 2009 at 5:44pm
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I lived in a 300 sq ft apartment (2 floors, 150 sq ft each). I called the bottom floor my "bitchen" (combination bathroom kitchen). When you walked in the door, the stove and refridgerator were on your right, the shower stall was on the left. The toilet was in the shower stall. At least with the configuration, your toilet isn't *in* your shower....

posted by staplegunsarefun on June 16th 2009 at 5:47pm
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Where is the drain? The water on the floor would bother me if I had come in after my husband's shower and ended up with wet shoes/socks/feet, plus the problem of tracking it back through the bathroom.

I do like the idea of being able to shower clean the toilet area, but the divider's bottom open space is small, plus the 2 doors make it look impossible to get the hand shower over to the other side. Unless the glass is hinged? Interesting idea, but seems to create more problems than solutions.

posted by pelicolina on June 16th 2009 at 5:54pm
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That's the way most bathroom's were in most of the hotels I stayed in while traveling in India.... only without the frosted glass divider. Takes some getting used to, but on the plus side, it makes you super efficient in the shower so you won't make so much of a mess!

posted by chelcjane on June 16th 2009 at 6:07pm
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Not fond of this idea. I also wouldn't want to have water running all over the bathroom floor. This is also not so practical in a climate where it's humid and rainy a lot of the time. The bathroom would always be damp.

I've also been to several hostels in Europe that had open showers and drains in the floor. The one thing I remember thinking at the time: COLD! It did not strike me as being very comfortable in poorly-insulated, drafty buildings.

posted by slowdown on June 16th 2009 at 6:22pm
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"Where is the drain?"

On the shower-side of the partition - which is clearly over a foot off the floor.
And the hand-held shower does appear to be sufficiently long to reach around the partition to hose down the other side if necessary - if not, longer hoses are available.

posted by bepsf on June 16th 2009 at 6:30pm
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Unless one person is using the toilette while another person is in the shower.... I don't see where it would matter.

posted by baileyb on June 16th 2009 at 7:28pm
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My toilet and shower are separated by shower curtain. I don't see what the problem is.

posted by Doug on June 16th 2009 at 7:36pm
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all I can think is toilet overflows--> toilet contents all over shower floor- however my roommate uses a wheelchair, and I've often thought that it would make a lot more sense in general if we just put a drain in the floor, and didn't worry about a bathtub.

posted by lz on June 16th 2009 at 8:41pm
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This is way cleaner than most of the bathrooms I've had in years and years of rental apartments. I like it.

posted by Chester Shoeshine on June 17th 2009 at 12:10am
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all I can think is toilet overflows--> toilet contents all over shower floor

Well, that's a heck of a lot better than toilet contents all over your BATHROOM floor. At least you could easily bleach and then hose the mess down the drain with this design. In a traditional bathroom you have to mop up crap when the toilet overflows.

I mean, ick!

posted by sunspot42 on June 17th 2009 at 12:33am
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This would be fine if the frosted glass reached the floor; why doesn't it?

posted by Sofia on June 17th 2009 at 5:20am
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I live in India and most bathrooms until recently ( and in my current home built in the early 90's) have some or the other variation of this. The drain in the floor is great! After a shower, one just uses a floor wipe ( we have ones with rubber bottom and long handle) to swish, swish, swish the water towards the drain. Turn on the exhaust fan and within minutes the floor is shining clean and dry. Definitely beats my mouldy shower curtain in San Francisco!
Also just as an FYI, floors with drains are built with an imperceptible slant towards the drain, so the water automatically flows towards it instantly.

posted by oldsplice on June 17th 2009 at 7:21am
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It seems like all you would need was a slight ridge in between the shower and toilet area. Would keep all the water in the shower area. Then you can have a drain in both the shower and the toilet area for easy clean-up. That would pretty much make it function the same as all other bathrooms.

posted by TrudyK on June 17th 2009 at 9:56am
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The shared shower / rest-of-bathroom floor is really common here in Europe. Oftentimes you don't even get a divider, so your shower is spraying all over the bathroom (not a fan of this!) However, if you have a divider, the drain-in-floor is nice -- no shower basin / tub to clean, and the look is cleaner too. Not weird at all in my opinion.

posted by crispywaffle on June 17th 2009 at 10:12am
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I like this, but to perfect it I would have the divider go all the way to the ground so that shower water does not seep into the loo area, and a separate drain in each half so that one could hose down the toilet efficiently without any germs getting in the shower foot space.

posted by AnastasiaBeaverhausen on June 17th 2009 at 11:04am
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Remember back when bathrooms were carpeted?

posted by MihoH on June 17th 2009 at 3:01pm
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Overall, I like the design of it, and don't see any issue with privacy in this. If two people are already comfortable enough to use a more traditional bathroom together (in which, as many have noted, there is little more privacy), then this layout shouldn't be a problem.

The one question I have is: why not extend the sheet of frosted glass all the way to the floor (if it isn't already), and eliminate (1) the "peeing in the shower" feel and (2) the need for a door to the toilet "stall"?

Honestly, the fact of having a toilet stall in a larger bathroom is the only thing that weirds me out.

posted by Silverflame on June 18th 2009 at 12:49pm
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the writer assumes two people will use the bathroom at the same time.

posted by mattyl on June 18th 2009 at 11:16pm
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The layout is fine. I still don't think it is meant to be for spontaneous use by two people.

posted by SillyBug on June 19th 2009 at 6:59am
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Hi,
I'm Nestor. The guy who designed this bathroom.
I've found this webpage as a casuality!

I've read almost all the comments, and I see that the major concern for most of you is getting the floor wet.

The glass divider reaches the floor. But this glass is divided in two sections; the top one is made of frosted glass, and the bottom one is made of transparent glass. The reason is to show the continuity of the floor between shower and restroom, but avoiding the water running out the shower cabin.

Anyway, if you have any other question, you can email me.

Best regards,
Nestor Espinosa

posted by Nestor on September 21st 2009 at 10:04am
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