This past weekend we bit the bullet and picked up an Apple TV along with Netflix, hoping to cut out our digital cable bill and save $90 monthly. We’ve read some very good reviews (1 2) on the unit and thought it would be a great addition to our Apple family. Unfortunately, it simply did not provide the quality experience we've come to expect from Apple. And to prove we’re not a bunch of Apple apologists as well as give full disclosure of an ill-performing device to our readers, we felt it necessary to highlight the flaws of the unit that has rendered it completely unwatchable.
First, the good: Apple TV’s design is undoubtedly superior to every other competitor on the market. Not only is the physical object beautiful, seamlessly blending in with our modern décor and small enough to fit practically anywhere, the UI is incredibly well designed. The interface is uncluttered, intuitive, easy to navigate, and well adapted to the Netflix Instant Watch feature. We also love that we could connect the ATV with our iTunes account and stream additional movies/music to our TV. Furthermore, the Remote App is a smart and fun way to use your iPhone/iPad/iPod as a means of controlling your Apple TV (since the Remote App works off of the WiFi signal and not infrared technology, it does not need to be pointed at the box to work). All of these features/conveniences is what we’ve come to expect from Apple.
Unfortunately, all of these things are meaningless when the box itself simply does not function. We discovered rather quickly that the Netflix Instant Watch feature is totally and completely unwatchable. We’ve encountered error messages, prolonged buffering, outright stopping, off-sync audio, no audio, and freezing (all within a single TV show sometimes). This was completely unacceptable seeing as though our cable speed is ~9.5Mbps and the Apple TV was showing full signal strength. Never being the techie to give-up on a problem right away, we went searching for a solution, as Gregory wrote yesterday. We came across multiple places on the internet with people recounting the same issues with their Apple TV, proving in no way this was an isolated incident. We attempted the various fixes people have proposed including resetting the device, reentering our Netflix account information, changing the DNS information to Google, and more. Nothing came close to helping and we accepted the fact that the Apple TV is simply not going to cooperate with us and will need to be returned. But before we did, we wanted to purchase another device, not only to replace the Apple TV but to prove it had nothing to do with our Netflix account nor our wireless connection.
And so, as we write this, we’re enjoying an interrupted viewing experience through our new LG BD570 Blu-Ray Disc Player. And although the interface is painfully ugly and convoluted, the quality is incomparable to that of the Apple TV. It is fast, responsive, (and most importantly) a seamless, high quality, viewing experience.
With heavy hearts, we will be returning our ATV 4 days after purchasing it, and would like to warn our readers of the same. Of course, there are plenty of people out there who haven’t been experiencing this issue but in our humble opinion — coming from an enthusiast who loves all-things Apple — we’re severely disappointed in the performance of this product and will be waiting until a later update or model definitively clears up these errors.
If you’re like us and were looking for another device to replace your Apple TV, here are some other options. We will continue to use our LG Blu-Ray player and will most likely produce an in-depth review for readers looking for other alternatives to the Apple TV. Also, if you would like to ask us any particular questions about our experience with the ATV, feel free to do so in the comments and will be happy to answer.
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Comments (37)
Thank you for this review. From time-to-time I have considered ATV (have a friend who loves it) but something has held me back. Glad I haven't ventured down that road.
was it connected over wifi or wired?
WiFi, but it was showing a full signal. Additionally, my new Blu-Ray player is connected through the same WiFi and I've had no problems.
That's too bad that you had a bad experience with the Apple TV 2. We bought ours a month ago,connected through wifi (regular road runner) and absolutely no problems at all with our netflix instant watch. Have you even tried bringing it in to Apple for service or replacement?
Sorry to hear about your problem. Think it's funny that you think the design is better than any other competitor, on a non-functional product.
What surprises me though is that you were/are paying 90 dollars a month for cable. I pay 130 for cable, internet, and phone, and I get a ton of channels, including several some movie channels.
Just get it replaced by Apple. I had some issues with my ATV2 which I had bought right after it launched and they promptly replaced it. And boy am I glad. My 3 year old watches all his cartoons on Netflix and I have had 0 issues since then. The UI is the best that's out there.
Strangely enough, though I recently documented issues with iTunes rental streaming issues, Netflix streaming via Apple TV has yet to ever slowdown/stall. Recommending Mike switch out Google DNS and try again for off chance it may improve: http://j.mp/eMYg0y
Maybe you might have a bad unit. I bought 2 units, one for my bedroom and one for my living room. I have had both streaming without issues. When I watch Netflix, I do occasionally get the buffering icon. Sorry to hear about your not-so-good experience.
Instead of giving up, just return it and get a new one. It might be a bad unit. I really enjoy my ATV, though sometimes have trouble streaming video podcasts and the rental selection is poor (for now). With my HDTV antenna, who needs cable?
@gregory: I tried several DNS's, including Google's and other local ones to no avail, unfortunately. But again, it is odd that the stream quality with my Blu-Ray's Netflix is perfect (on the same network config). I wish you continued luck with yours!
@minimalist1750: As far as repairing/replacing the unit itself, it seemed a bit overboard for a $99 device when so many other options were out there. I decided I should buy a Blu-Ray player anyway so I can play my Netflix DVDs.
I'm very glad other people have had success with their ATVs and I recommend everyone take this review with a grain of salt. I don't mean to say that all are bad, but after some careful research, it seems like a lot of owners are experiencing this issue. And since I certainly would like to be aware of this issue before I purchased mine, I wanted to bring it up with the Unplggd community.
@Rckmnr: My praise of the design resides in the physical device itself as well as its digital user interface. Somewhere within the software is the flaw which is a shame. I love the damn thing!
Did you have the same problem with Netflix instant watch over Roku or just online?
sorry - by "..or just online" I meant "or when watching on a computer monitor through Netflix's video player"
@M@: No issues streaming Netflix over my computer.
I was having similar issues with Netflix on my Apple TV even when my regular internet worked fine. CableOne found the transmitter in the pedestal was bad, replaced it and Netflix works much better.
We had some problems with streaming, we now use our PS3 for streaming. It's too bad ATV isn't working well for you.
So glad I have the original ATV, except my damn tv shows and movies keep disappearing and Apple keeps having to re-release them (and I pay big $$ internet overages) and they keep telling me "this is the last time we can do this for you" and I reply "when you fix your product so I don't keep losing hundreds of dollars worth of Tv shows/movies, then you can tell me that it's the last time". It even deletes them on my external HD. So frustrating.
My husband and I JUST bought our ATV and we sometimes have the issues of freezing and loss of audio but only with netflix. My husband however just made a comment (after I read this to him) that apple will most likely put out a firmware update for ATV users. He also said if it were truely an issue with the hardware then the issues would happen through-out all video usage (not just netflix). We've been happy with ours (freezing and audio loss is annoying but livable).
Returned mine after two days because of HDCP (?) issues. As a die hard Apple fan, it's painful to send back gear and report a beef. Oh, well it's just Steve's hobby.
So, AppleTV isn't completely unusable, just Netflix? Did iTunes rentals work, or other iTunes media? Did YouTube work? For someone less interested in Netflix it may be fine. For $100 it is the same price as an AirPortExpress/AirTunes, so it could be a better alternative for those looking to get their media into their living room. Did you try using it wired? Is there a reason you can't? If you are planning to watch HD video, it seems somewhat naive to do it all over wifi...
I've been using an Apple TV 2 over wifi for Netflix streaming for a while and I've never had it need to buffer once. I'd follow other's comments and return it as it seemed defective.
Sounds like a DNS issue to me.. I would get it replaced by Apple and then set it to use your isp's own DNS servers.. there are issues with open DNS/Google DNS when streaming video. It is explained better than I could in the link below.
http://joemaller.com/2577/itunes-slowdowns-with-google-dns/
And for those with HDCP issues.. I have heard that using a cheap cable can make the difference there.. I know its digital and therefore should either work or not work but I have read that the HDCP handshake (the bit that tells the devices that everything is kosher) can fall over with a cheaper cable.
Man, we haven't had a problem with ours at all. Sounds like you should have tried replacing it, rather than moving on to another product so quickly.
We have issues with Netflix buffering, to the point where movies are unwatchable. Other times it is fine. We figured out it is our network connection, not the Apple TV. The wireless connection is not what matters, it is whether you have issues with the actual internet connection going in and out, which is what our crappy internet provider does to us. You can tell when it is happening by looking at the lights on the modem...I wouldn't blame Apple in this case, especially if the rest of the features work fine.
Huh. We haven't had any problems with Netflix buffering with our ATV but lots of problems with it throught the Wii (kids prefer to use Wii remote, go figure).
The ATV is a sentient device. If it doesn't like the user, it will not cooperate. But seriously, most of the issues I've seen are due to junk wireless routers, lacking firmware updates and wireless interference. Just because you see full bars doesn't mean that your data rate isn't being compromised by the presence of other networks or wireless devices competing for signal strength.
I have had no issues at all with Netflix on the ATV2. I run in with an Airport Extreme as my router on a .N wifi network with about 10m to the router from the ATV2 and a wall thin between the boxes (WPA2). It works flawlessly! My connection is a 10Mbit aDSL connection
I'm thinking to buy ATV2 to install XBMC there. It looks like ideal media client for kitchen or bedroom - small, stylish, noiseless and cheap. So, I confused a bit with that review and previous post about using XBMC on ATV2 during one week.
I own the ATV 1st gen. I have enjoyed it with zero complaints. I'm connected via wifi and have had no buffer issues. The ATV 1 does not have Netflix so I do that via my blu-ray player and runs into occasional buffer issues. I also love the 160 GB drive for storing home movies and purchased content.
I plan on picking up the new ATV so I can take advantage of Air Play. With the next OS update they are enabling in app support for Air Play. Can you imagine playing some of the party games on the iPad while displaying it on your Tv for everyone to enjoy?
I've had zero issues watching netflix stuff on my appletv. I love it. I also jailbroke my ipod touch, and installed an airview server so I can now watch almost any video file on it, again with zero problems.
I agree with everyone else, you might have a defective unit, and should return to it to apple.
I've only ever had issues with buffering/stuttering and netflix on the sony tv.
Apple products do not always play nice with all wireless routers. As a general rule, if you select a static channel in your router's configuration rather than leaving it to dynamically figure it out, all apple products (including the apple tv) work far more reliably. I can almost guarantee that if you make that one small adjustment it will work flawlessly.
2005, we bought a 37" screen, a liquid cooled Sony Vaio pc, + Windows Media Centre, and 2 tv tuners. The interface is slick (like the new Bell Fibe TV), and you only see the channels that you can actually watch (unlike the Rogers PVR which lists 200+ channels whether you have them or not). You can pause live tv, record, etc. It's FAST + RELIABLE! And no extra monthly fees, just the upfront investment. Of course, you still need to pay for cable, or netflix...but considering I watch 3-4 shows per evening (skip past ads), it would cost a fortune with Apple TV.
2011, Liquid cooled is no longer available, so the challenge is now finding a PC that will work in a confined area (i.e. a cabinet). I think we'll have to cut the back of the cabinet off and make do...
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-media-center/learn-more/record-tv/articles/broadcast-tv-overview.aspx
-Never miss a show—your PC can be your DVR.
-Use your all-in-one guide to search different networks.
-Set your mood with your favorite music and Internet radio.
-Create slideshows or view your photos and home videos.
I might check this out as well:
http://www.team-mediaportal.com/mediaportal-screenshots/skins-gallery
So you received faulty hardware, but since the item is "only" $99 dollars you don't even bother sending it back for a replacement and then write a bad review about it?
Jesus tap dancing titty fucking Christ on a cruch.
Funny how bent out of shape some people get with even a mildly bad review of an Apple product.
It's ok to love Apple and at the same time dislike one of their products.
The comments here remind me of the reactions to the initial bad reviews of the Time Capsule.
I HAVE A SOLUTION...at least it worked for me.
I went through 2 ATVs, 3 hours of tech support and a trip to the Apple Genius bar before some at apple tech support had me change my broadcast channel on my router, and it worked! He had me change it to the highest channel, 11, and it worked...i couldn't believe it! Because the day before I took my ATV to the genius bar, and they just handed me a new unit. I plugged in new unit and it didn't work at all. My previous unit had worked great for about 3 weeks till i did the software update.
I was surprised to find out that the genius bar gets about 2 people a month with ATV issues, since when my issues developed it seemed pretty common. I wasn't willing to give up on Apple. I just couldn't believe they had failed so miserably. I don't think ATV lives up to their normal standards, and there are a lots of issues they have no control over, and I'm just happy it's working again (knock on wood!)
signal and bandwidth are two different things. Even if you have a strong signal if your network is choking you will not have good performance. You should 'clean' your network to help speed up your whole network. I would start over and reconfigure everything one by one. I have the AppleTV and it started off choking, I reset the router and set everything up fresh, now things load very fast. I usually have a HD movie completely loaded within 5 minutes and never wait more than 5 seconds to start watching something. Much faster than my DVR.
It's unfortunate you had such a negative experience. I have three Apple TVs in three locations and haven't encountered the problems you've outlined. One is in my room at school, and the other one is at my dad's house. I just got the newest ATV for my room at my mom's house. (I could actually just cart one ATV to each location, but other members of the family and friends enjoy using it when I'm gone, haha) I do notice lagging with Netflix when the weather is poor, but most of the time it's cooperative. It's certainly been more responsive and user friendly than my temperamental blu ray player.
I found this thread while searching for ways to jailbreak the ATV 3, so I'm writing this more than a year after it was posted.