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I've never understood people who buy fakes and knock-offs. What joy or satisfaction is there in owning something; table, lamp, Gucci watch, LV purse; that YOU know is fake? It is totally lame. If you can't afford the real thing, then support designers whose products you can afford. There are thousands of talented designers making every kind of product. Get over the need to fake it.
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I snagged the table this morning. There's a small nick on the surface but nothing major. I'm a student on a very limited income and could never afford something like this at full price. So if the person selling the table reads AT: Thanks Again!
As for it being a knockoff, whatever. I don't fetishize "authenticity." My house is a residence, not an art gallery. Perhaps things would be different if Isamu Noguchi were still alive but as-is I doubt he cares. And it seems like the whole 'authenticity' debate looses much of its moral force when purchasing used furniture - no designer or distributor would be getting my money in any case.
Although if jonlaz can point out where I can find equally well made end tables by the "thousands of talented designers" for $45 I'm all ears. Seriously.
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if your house is not an art gallery, why were you concerned enough with appearances to purchase a table that works hard to provide the semblance of a designer piece?
@twelveindustries I got the table because it looks good, is well made, and fit my budget. Again, if anybody has suggestions as to equally well made and interesting-looking "authentic" pieces that I could pick up for $45 I'd love to hear about it. I probably couldn't even get a low-end IKEA table for that price.
Although the whole idea of 'authentic' mass-produced furniture kinda puzzles me in general, I think the debate becomes particularly absurd when it involves used furniture purchased on craigslist by students for pennies on the dollar.
Would I rather have unique designer furniture in my house? For sure. But until I have the cash to do that I'll continue to stock my house with neat-looking craigslist finds. You know the old saying, beggars can't be choosers. . .
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mmmkay--
Good for you - Congrats and enjoy it!
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mmmkay -- you beat me to it! If I lose one more good SF deal to you, why, I'll... *shakes fist*
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i just wanted to point out the discrepancy between your dismissive "fetishization" comment about authentic pieces and your "for sure" desire, if you could afford, to own the such pieces. i agree that, given your financial situation, you made the right choice and i would have done the same. but too many people, in making that quite valid financial decision, tend to deride others who are quite justified in being passionate about the struggle to maintain artistic integrity, support of artists and their estates, and preservation of original and unique designs through the purchasing of authentic designs.
Interesting post, twelveindustries. The operative word with the "for sure" comment is 'unique.' If I had the money, I seriously doubt that I'd buy a newly produced "officially licensed" noguchi table, Eames rocker, etc...
I'd probably grab an antique one (as I do fetishize history) but with objects that are mass produced and so sharply divorced from their designers (in other words, they're all dead) I'm puzzled by the need for the kind of authenticity that a license connotes. Now, if there are real differences in workmanship then that's a different story.
I don't have problems with people who do fetishize that kind of authenticity, we all want different things from our furniture (and art).. unless they stand on a high horse and start preaching about it. So I was also primarily reacting to jonlaz's rather dismissive comment.
In any case, I'm happy with my table :-D
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I have one knock off piece in my house (I actually bought it for the style before I even knew about mcm eames furniture). Now that I know there are the original designers and knock-offs I will try to buy some original pieces in the future BUT most likely not furniture or if it is furniture I would have to keep it in the bedroom. I have 2 rowdy cats who have lovingly scratched up (not on purpose) the side of my coffee table during their playtime. I refuse to pay $800 for something I know is going to get tarnished in a matter of weeks. Instead I may opt for a cheaper alternative that could easily be repleased within my income - if that is a second hand knock-off then why not?
mmmkay enjoys his/her table- let that person be geez people!
Um, why is all the cool scavenger hunt furniture ALWAYS in SF? Seriously, it seems nobody up there (besides you apartment therapy readers) seems to have any taste whatsoever as week after week something totally fabulous is sold at insanely low prices... ;)
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People on this site seriously need to calm down about the whole knock-off issue. The topic in general is getting old and so are the people who almost develop Turrets Syndrome they are so upset. Getting so bothered by something that in no way affects you is ridiculous. She got a nice table that she likes and it is not going in any of your homes. Get a life.
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mmmkay is a screen name that makes me smile. :)
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Only $45?
I wonder what's wrong with it?
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I've never understood people who buy fakes and knock-offs. What joy or satisfaction is there in owning something; table, lamp, Gucci watch, LV purse; that YOU know is fake? It is totally lame. If you can't afford the real thing, then support designers whose products you can afford. There are thousands of talented designers making every kind of product. Get over the need to fake it.
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I snagged the table this morning. There's a small nick on the surface but nothing major. I'm a student on a very limited income and could never afford something like this at full price. So if the person selling the table reads AT: Thanks Again!
As for it being a knockoff, whatever. I don't fetishize "authenticity." My house is a residence, not an art gallery. Perhaps things would be different if Isamu Noguchi were still alive but as-is I doubt he cares. And it seems like the whole 'authenticity' debate looses much of its moral force when purchasing used furniture - no designer or distributor would be getting my money in any case.
Although if jonlaz can point out where I can find equally well made end tables by the "thousands of talented designers" for $45 I'm all ears. Seriously.
view mmmkay's profile
if your house is not an art gallery, why were you concerned enough with appearances to purchase a table that works hard to provide the semblance of a designer piece?
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@twelveindustries I got the table because it looks good, is well made, and fit my budget. Again, if anybody has suggestions as to equally well made and interesting-looking "authentic" pieces that I could pick up for $45 I'd love to hear about it. I probably couldn't even get a low-end IKEA table for that price.
Although the whole idea of 'authentic' mass-produced furniture kinda puzzles me in general, I think the debate becomes particularly absurd when it involves used furniture purchased on craigslist by students for pennies on the dollar.
Would I rather have unique designer furniture in my house? For sure. But until I have the cash to do that I'll continue to stock my house with neat-looking craigslist finds. You know the old saying, beggars can't be choosers. . .
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mmmkay--
Good for you - Congrats and enjoy it!
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mmmkay -- you beat me to it! If I lose one more good SF deal to you, why, I'll... *shakes fist*
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i just wanted to point out the discrepancy between your dismissive "fetishization" comment about authentic pieces and your "for sure" desire, if you could afford, to own the such pieces. i agree that, given your financial situation, you made the right choice and i would have done the same. but too many people, in making that quite valid financial decision, tend to deride others who are quite justified in being passionate about the struggle to maintain artistic integrity, support of artists and their estates, and preservation of original and unique designs through the purchasing of authentic designs.
view twelveindustries's profile
Interesting post, twelveindustries. The operative word with the "for sure" comment is 'unique.' If I had the money, I seriously doubt that I'd buy a newly produced "officially licensed" noguchi table, Eames rocker, etc...
I'd probably grab an antique one (as I do fetishize history) but with objects that are mass produced and so sharply divorced from their designers (in other words, they're all dead) I'm puzzled by the need for the kind of authenticity that a license connotes. Now, if there are real differences in workmanship then that's a different story.
I don't have problems with people who do fetishize that kind of authenticity, we all want different things from our furniture (and art).. unless they stand on a high horse and start preaching about it. So I was also primarily reacting to jonlaz's rather dismissive comment.
In any case, I'm happy with my table :-D
view mmmkay's profile
I have one knock off piece in my house (I actually bought it for the style before I even knew about mcm eames furniture). Now that I know there are the original designers and knock-offs I will try to buy some original pieces in the future BUT most likely not furniture or if it is furniture I would have to keep it in the bedroom. I have 2 rowdy cats who have lovingly scratched up (not on purpose) the side of my coffee table during their playtime. I refuse to pay $800 for something I know is going to get tarnished in a matter of weeks. Instead I may opt for a cheaper alternative that could easily be repleased within my income - if that is a second hand knock-off then why not?
mmmkay enjoys his/her table- let that person be geez people!
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Um, why is all the cool scavenger hunt furniture ALWAYS in SF? Seriously, it seems nobody up there (besides you apartment therapy readers) seems to have any taste whatsoever as week after week something totally fabulous is sold at insanely low prices... ;)
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People on this site seriously need to calm down about the whole knock-off issue. The topic in general is getting old and so are the people who almost develop Turrets Syndrome they are so upset. Getting so bothered by something that in no way affects you is ridiculous. She got a nice table that she likes and it is not going in any of your homes. Get a life.
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mmmkay is a screen name that makes me smile. :)
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