Wow, folks... well it's challenging to see an upside among all your comments, but I am glad that you care so much. The idea for this column came from the fact that since day one, we've always done some off topic and even weird stuff that works into the personal life of the home AND I really loved meeting Evie and hearing all of her frank answers to sticky questions. I want you all to know that you are all HEARD, loud and clear, and I'll definitely think about where we take this weekend column in the future. We don't want to turn people off, but we do want to stretch the boundaries of how we cover the life of our home. Thanks again so much for all of your comments. There are some really memorable zingers in there. :-)
Best, Maxwell
Q. Why does my partner watch porn? We have a passionate sex life...I don't understand why I'm not enough...
Welcome to a new weekly column by the our own, super experienced professional in this home area, Evie Cohen. FYI, she is also a grandmother, so she's seen a lot.
A. The content of pornographic movies and books is self-centered sex unhindered by love or romance. It allows your partner to feel released to experience pure pleasure.
We are all different in what triggers our desires - or is our default "turn on". Sometimes it's our partner, sometimes a smell, favorite scene in a book, or a memory. Lots of men and women like to arouse themselves by reading or watching pornography. For them porn is the default turn on.
In a romantic relationship, we like to think that we are the exclusive turn on for our partner. So the question becomes, why does the porn bother you? Are you bothered that you're not the exclusive source of arousal? Over time it's not realistic to believe that there is only one source of arousal for your partner. This could be called obsessive behavior, and generally not the way human sexuality works. A more realistic expectation is to WANT to be the only object or outlet for that passion.
On the other hand, for some people porn is a turn off.
They may watch it once or twice to see what's all about, but it bores them, and it begins to make sex boring. Or it may disgust them, for all kinds of political religious and moral reasons. But they don't want to risk making their partner feel bad by making a conflict out of it. Or they don't want their partner to feel guilty by branding behavior as bad. People who have a porn prone partner may feel frustrated.
If they ignore everything will it feel alienating? Will an emotional charge be missing from lovemaking?
Perhaps, but it may be worth it to maintain a loving relationship.
If we talk about our disgust or boredom, will we make things worse by making our partners and ourselves feel badly? Maybe, but if it does, remember that talking doesn't mean winning or losing. Instead it means talking about yourself and why the porn bothers you. You may need assurances that you are a source of passion for your partner. You are entitled to your needs too, and may want to set some limitations, for example, "don't watch when I'm around," or "focus on me during sex."
Discussion will most likely bring some change and experimentation with other means of arousal that are mutually more satisfying.
- Evie Cohen
Author of Couple Fits, psychotherapist and marriage counselor in New York City
(Image: Man in Bedroom via Shutterstock)

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I don't get this. I thought apartment therapy was about interior design?
This bothers me too.
Huh? Come on. Stop it. This is not necessary.
I watch porn, BUT I don't sub to your rss for this crap.
This belongs on Slate or somewhere else, DEFINITELY NOT A/T. From Ohdeedoh to this?
Not really interested in this type of articles. If I was, I would go to the website of the daily mail (UK) or something similar.
Ahh, please don't post this stuff on the main page! This is one of the only design sites that my work doesn't block and if you have a porn discussion on the main page, it makes this NSFW.
In other news. Porn rocks.
Definitely doesn't belong on AT. I thought I'd come to the wrong site. I come to AT for fun, fantasy, escape and ideas that stir my creativity. A relationship advice column is inappropriate here.
Hmmn...it's therapy, just not as we know it...
Yeah - I don't get this at all. Wrong forum.
Not for AT, this is weird. Porn can become a dirty addiction and it makes me gag and uncomfortable. The sex industry only adds fuel to the fire with things like human trafficking, etc. Some people obsess to the point where porn is not enough. I think it's sad/disgusting and not okay for an AT post.
wtf is this doing here? don't get me wrong, love porn, but I don't love porn + AT :I
Come on AT. Really??
I registered just so I could comment. I agree with everyone else- this is a bad move. Scrap this idea. It's just not appropriate or necessary here. The Internet is flooded with this crap- dont need it here. Major dislike.
Completely off brand. Doesn't work for me as a loyal follower.
Unless we are discussing a custom built shelf for porno movies or a teeny tiny apartment belonging to a porn star, then this type of post DOES NOT BELONG HERE. Come on, guys. I understand a column about "relationships" because they apparently happen in communal living spaces, but you really shot your wad with this one (forgive the pun. No wait. Don't. It was awesome... unlike this post). Listen to your readers. Get rid of this. *drops mike, walks off*
What??? I don't have anything against porn, but geez, not on AT!!!!!
I thought my reader had been hacked or something. Not what I expect or want to see from AT!
What they said
Desperate for hits, AT?
Out of context, and entirely off topic. This has nothing to do with apartment layout or design. Dispensing info about kitsch wallpaper and Eames chairs is one thing, psychological proclivities another. Please stick to what you are qualified to discuss.
this should not be on AT. unless AT now stands for Actual Therapy.
I have to agree with all the people that came before me. the amount of time some people spend watching porn is disgusting. Of course the amount of time I spend reading decor blogs is disgusting.
This is not good, AT. Very disappointing. Isn't this a design blog? Advice columns not needed here. Please drop.
WTF is this??? get this garbage off one of my favorite websites. no one gives a shit! Stick to decorating!
Not to mention the writing style just feels stilted and awkward, on top of the subject matter not fitting in with the rest of the site at all. Blah.
Not only is this the strangest, off-brand article I've seen on AT...it's so boring to read that it hurts.
also, @THEKATHRYNO i DIED reading your comment. hahahahha
no thanks!!
Did AT get hacked??? This is so odd and out of place. Not what I want to read. Disappointing.
This article does not belong on this website. Bad idea, AT!
Anyone know where I can get that headboard? :)
(No, no relationship therapy here. Whatever quid pro quo got Cohen this gig, please send her elsewhere!)
Where am I? No thanks, AT.
Whoa. Where did this come from? I may or may not have a porn going on the next tab, but here? Why is this here?
wrong kind of apartment therapy- sooo not interested. please stick to design.
This is not appropriate for AT!
Wow. Thought I hit the wrong page!
I'm a pretty open, liberal person, but even I was shocked when I saw this. Nice attempt to expand the brand, but stick to the soul of what AT is about to begin with!
Can't say I'm not a little disappointed..
Is this for real?
Please don't!
dont get me wrong, i love me some porn, but its nice to come to a site that feels almost innocent? i dont know what im talking about...
Another "no" vote.
I'm hearing everyone - and mostly agreeing. But, can we cut AT some slack? Try to make some connection to bedroom interiors and..well, porn? I'm busting my chops here. HELP.
Really? Hopefully someone who works at AT just had too much to drink or something and posted this to the wrong site. What does this have to do with design??????? Please go back to what you do best (and the reason we visit your site!)
NOT ON AT
Has AT been hacked by an idiot?
The spam here is bad enough, you're now inviting them with key words AT?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to the lame magazine tabloid relationship crap column. To paraphrase Oscar Wilde, either Evie and her inappropriate-for-this-site column goes or I do. AT hang your head in shame and lose this column please or lose a long term reader. I don't want your social programming garbage here, I just want inspiring spaces. Thanks.
Ugh. I'll add my voice to the chorus: this does not belong on AT. Please make it stop.
Also, I seriously hope an AT reader didn't actually email this in....
It's relevant, guys! I asked myself the same question after catching my partner looking at mid-century-funiture-porn. Why am I not enough D:
jk jk
An editor who writes for several blogs must have accidentally posted this article to AT last night. Very, very strange….
Love AT, love porn. Not together ... please.
Please, No!!! Not only is the advice pretty superficial, but this is NOT the place for this!
Is this a joke? Were you hacked? This type of article is off-brand and a mistake on the part of A/T. Please stick to the core topics that have already earned you a large following.....
Registered just to make this comment. Bad move AT. Lately you've been tapering off in quality and now you've just jumped off the quality-cliff onto the trashy rocks below
Go back to APARTMENT therapy and forget the therapy part. Really hating this.
Just adding my voice to the choir -- we don't need relationship advice here. If posts like this keep appearing many of us will stop reading.
I miss Ohdeedoh :(
What does a Russian cat say? Meow plus Nyet= MYET!!!
I agree with the pussy. No cats on my Eames chair, AT!! Not even my imitation one from Brooklyn....err..... China. Whatever.
Um... can APARTMENT therapy please stick to what it used to do best- DESIGN! This article is so random it sticks out like a sore thumb.
"Completely off brand. Doesn't work for me as a loyal follower."
I agree completely with NTHSHORE. The point is, this doesn't fit the brand. You have a ground-breaking site here that has become one of the best on the internet. Judging from the number of international entries in the recent contest, people all over the world are reading it. Why would you confuse your purpose with this "it's been done" column? Yes, I know, to get hits from people who aren't googling the words "apartment" or "interior design." Rather insulting to your current loyal readers, the way I see it.
What's the next addition to AT? Auto repair? We can't be all things to all people.
oh dear don't tell me AT is going down this route? no, no, no.
It ain't broke. Don't fix it.
NO.
This is a way to get more users to sign up, so that they can complain. Either way, yuck.
I agree, this column is a bad idea-not appropriate for this website.
To make is it even worse, Not stressing porn can be Very Unhealthy for individuals and relationships.
Seriously?
Adding my big fat NO THANKS.
Throw this ill conceived idea on the scrap heap and get back to the business of being awesome, AT.
lol @bennemans
I'm just hoping this article got posted on the wrong site... :( Unwanted topic for AT and boring writing to boot.
I think they're saying that people in houses (a) are comfortable with porn or (b) don't watch porn.
The site is awesome. Fantastic. I'm in China and I check it every day because I'm decorating my first home. I have registered to agree that you should seriously drop this. It's just a bit of fun, sure. But, if you have kids and you look at the site regularly this might cause the family folk with little people a problem or two. "Daddy, what does ... mean?". It's tough enough explaining the names of Ikea's furniture isn't it? It does also seem like a kind of AT ad for those special pills. Are you juicing AT?
huh???
"Welcome to a new weekly column by the our own, super experienced professional in this home area, Evie Cohen."
She writes:
"On the other hand, for some people porn is a turn off."
evidently to your AT readers it is, judging from the comments.
And to add my voice to the chorus: I ***HATE***THIS!!!
I, too, think this type of article is out of place on Apartment Therapy. I love the home design material you print, and am not interested in seeing relationship topics here.
I agree with "Completely off brand. Doesn't work for me as a loyal follower."
I say no.
I want interior advice and inspiring homes.
There are plenty of other forums for relationship advice!
I agree with Bonnily and others.
Disappointing AT, not what I want to see here.
No, just no.
Major turn off... No pun intended! I am very thankful that almost everyone here agrees, I sure hope you guys are listening!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have no problem with porn or the discussion of it, but if it's on an design blog, it'd better be about the design of a porn set. No, AT. Bad branding. You're losing your focus and therefore credibility. How would you feel if your latest issue of The Economist included a column on relationship advice?
If you want to expand into lifestyle/relationship type stuff, you'd do better starting a new lifestyle blog in your big happy family and crosspost relevant ones if it is appropriate. I might even read it if you do.
Please tell us if you'll reconsider or intend on keeping this travesty in your design blog, because if you are, farewell RSS feed.
Last week, I made AT my homepage because I wanted to look at something peaceful, restful, and comforting. This is not what I had in mind.
Maybe next Sunday there will be an AT morning post on who won the Preakness. In between now and then, an opening post about natural childbirth would be nice. I was tired of all those silly posts about beautiful furniture and rooms. . . .
I have to agree, I was very surprised to see this on AT. I love the home design content on this site, and with so many other sites out there offering relationship advice, I would hate to see AT go that way as well.
@auma that gave me a brilliant idea! If AT is going to dilute their brand with something.. What about pictures of cute baby animals instead??? They live in houses and apartments right? It might even appropriate. And everyone loves cute baby animals. Everyone, quick, send them pictures!
No thanks. The only porn discussion I need from AT is whether oak, scrubbed birch or tiles look better in the kitchen.
Stupid post. So wrong. You should delete the post.
I don't want relationship advice here. This is Apartment Therapy, not Psychology Today.
Yeah.
No.
Um, no. This doesn't belong on AT. When I saw this in my RSS, I thought you'd been hacked. Mispost maybe?
Please stop.
Logging in to add my voice to the chorus of "NO THANKS."
Relationship advice on a design blog? What's next...Kardashian news? >_<
Might be time to remove AT from my RSS feeds if this is the direction they're heading. Seem to get more actual design over at Young House Love and Manhattan Nest than here lately.
Well, after 87 comments, I guess this is a little redundant, but. . . . AT is not the place for this!! Whatever possessed the editors to do this? Were you a little short on material? Then come and photography my apartment. I'd love it.
No. Wrong. What is this? Apartment Porn Therapy? What's going on Maxwell?
And I thought we would have our own Carrie Bradshaw.
The column does not bother me but apparently I am in minority.
A.T. .....P.U.!!!!!!!!!
I'm adding my voice to the naysayers. If I wanted relationship advice, I'd go to a different website. I read AT for home design, not for this.
What. The. Hell?
I don't even know what to say about this. I guess I am disappointed to see this content on AT.
SHAME SHAME!!
Just to add my voice to the clamor: This is boring and not why I visit AT. Get rid of this.
I don't normally beat a dead horse with a comment in agreement like this, but I'm disappointed with this post as well.
I regularly refer friends and such to this site for ideas or something I've seen, and nothing I've ever described about it would make it seem as though their children couldn't visit the site unmonitored as well.
Please do better AT. Quite honestly this makes me want to visit a whole lot less than I normally do (daily). Pretty sure accessing it at work is a definite no-go at this point.
Are you sure that all of AT's advertisers would want to be connected to the word "porn"?
Sad that you have stopped looking for and working to find good design and offer helpful information to your followers, pathetic that you are stooping to this level, not what this follower wants to read about on this blog.
A number of the articles and features have been kind of thin this last year and some of the posts have been downright questionable as to how they relate to your original mission, but this article clearly illustrates you are out of material. I guess the bright side...for me at least..is there are lots of other blogs and sites that I can follow, because if this is what AT is becoming then I am out of here.
@CanadianMango
This post doesn't bother me per se, just the context and where I normally access it. In fact I think the topic is a very good one, just not here.
AT has always been my guilty pleasure during down time at work, and I've also no qualms whatsoever with letting kids peruse posts about kid-related stuff. I still plan on visiting every so often, but as far as logging on at work or letting kids use it unsupervised--those days are over.
Agreed: No, just no.
Lose it and don't let it come back.
If you want a relationship column, stick to funny stories about roommates or something. Not this, it doesn't fit in and I really don't care about it.
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. This reminds me of HollyWood actors endorsing political candidates. Stick to your job and skill set. Why on earth would I want your relationship advice?
Talk about a turn-off...
May 12, 2012. The day AT officially jumped the shark. Jesus.
My ex-partner watched a lot of porn - 5+ hours a day. It lead to a break down of the relationship, a bunch of (his) affairs, and now I have my own place to decorate exactly as I want. So from that view, maybe this is relevant for this site.
That's a stretch . . .adding one more voice to the "NO!" camp.
wtf?
I swear I thought I accidentally went to another site, looked up saw that yes, it was in fact AT, and went "What the...?"
I understand the desire to continually grow as a site and bring things to your readers that challenge and stimulate, but this just IS NOT YOU or what we have come to value and love about this site. Please end this experiment today.
And of course it was posted late on a Friday night when there's no one to deal with it all weekend long. Ick.
This post sucks...Another bad pun, to be sure. Let's stick to design and not delve into any generic psycho babble.
Does anyone know where I can get a headboard like the one featured in the photo with the guy watching porn?
Two thumbs down. I made an account just to say this.
I say drop it not because it's porn but because it wasn't even interesting or well written.
wait... don't you have a team of DOZENS sitting on their Eames chairs behind their iMacs? And you're telling me that none, NONE of those people said at the last meeting;
"Hey gang! I've got a brilliant idea! Let's give our readers relationship advise! We'll start with porn!"
"errm, Max? Honey? Sweetie? I'm not really sure our readers -who come to our website for space saving and low budget home decorating tips- actually want relationship advise from us..."
"YOU SHUT UP AND ASSEMBLE THAT EXPEDIT!"
OMG people CHILL OUT. IT. was one question. I hate the idea of my better half watching porn, but realisticly the more you make something taboo the more they want it. As I'm getting older 38 I realize that our country has it all wrong look at France and Italy they show nudity on tv as part of every day life. And they don't have a drinking age.. And yet the percent of rape & alcohol abuse is very very low and it's because as you grow up the more your told you can't have something the more you want it. That's why we see porn as dirty but think about it if you weren't taught that as a child you wouldn't feel that way as an adult. It you grew up seeing a topless woman all the time you would just view them the same way you view a topless man. You wouldn't give them a second thought.
i seriously hope AT is reading these comments and gets that this is not the site we come to for porn or articles about porn.
sex sales...but on AT...design sells.... so knock this stupid shit off!
Maria7403
You are completely right, but you are SERIOUSLY missing the point! (most) People aren't outraged by the porn, but about the fact that an interior design blog suddenly decides to give relationship advise!
@Maria7403 People aren't freaking out about the content of the post. I'd bet most people don't have an issue with that at all. It's the post itself--it's poorly written, boring, and most importantly, completely off-brand for the Apartment Therapy family of sites. People come here for tips on home decor and organization--not hashed-out "advice" that you can find in any magazine.
I love how narrowed minded people are, it's hilarious reading all the comments on this one little article. You'd swear some of them though it was still the 1950s!
I love it, and think it's a great way to start a new series, because to me apartment therapy is about design but it's also about home life. You should do an article on how to make your bedroom more sexy!
If people are going to make such a fuss over this then you really don't need them as "loyal followers"
@Maria7403 please let's not have this discussion on AT. AT is about design. DESIGN.
If you google, you will undoubtedly find countless discussions about porn elsewhere. This one is trite and repetitive and there is absolutely nothing new in it, but that's not its biggest issue. Its biggest issue is the general inappropriateness of this article to the AT's mission.
I remember an article from ages ago about furniture specifically designed for sex (in 2008, I think). It wasn't my favorite thing, but it was appropriate for AT because it discussed furniture. This one does not even discuss furniture.
AT should remain focused on design if it wants to retain and attract readers. I've been an AT fan for many, many years, but don't come here for porn or discussions of porn. There's porn enough on the internet already.
What the 144 people before me said.
This is out of context, for sure.
This must be some sort of joke. I have no problem with porn, but as others have said, it's just way off topic for an interior design website.
Perhaps if this genuinely is a path AT wants to go down, it calls for a separate, off-shoot website, à la The Kitchn, for this sort of thing?
People should also stop referring to the article/image as "porn" it's hilarious that they think it is.
Let me add my voice to the consensus. I'm a woman who is not, in fact, anti-porn, but there is no place for this on Apartment Therapy. If this becomes a regular feature, you will most certainly lose this daily reader.
Is this a mistake? Did someone accidentally post this on AT? I come here to read about design, not my relationship.
Is April Fools Day being celebrated late, I hope?
RE: SAM26785---"You should do an article on how to make your bedroom more sexy! "
They did and I quite enjoyed it. But that's the point--it was about the design of a room for maximum enjoyability...I just don't want to read about the stuff that comes after--on this site.
AT readers, unite! I'm so glad to see so many other nah sayers to this weird direction AT took. Hopefully, this will be the first and last relationship column.
Or is this perhaps a Mother's Day misguided joke?
REALLY disappointed to find this article on AT
I would like to stand up and be heard, but first I need to go wash my left hand.
HATE! I looked at this with my seven year old daughter right next to me, thanks AT for having my child ask what PORN is! I am so pissed and forever done with your Shi* tactics. DONE.
I love porn, but that's what Dan Savage is for. Think of your client base, AT.
Maybe this was not the best story to kick off a "relationship column" totally unrelated to the main subject of your blog?
Porn or no porn, I just don't think I'll like this column very much. Get rid of it.
I love it when women try to explain male sexuality. Always, always, always wrong.
Design, not porn nor any other unrelated subjects!
i find it hilarious that it took a porn post for some people to notice how bad AT has become.
stick to design - if i wanted to read about porn, there are a zillion other websites to look at - i want to read about design!
Wow, what a poorly written article. And yes, I 100% agree that this is inappropriate for the AT website; 1) because it is boring and poorly written, 2) because it has nothing to do with apartment design and 3) it is a complete turn-off. Can we make this a one-hit-wonder and let it never come back?
Apartment Therapy, I have already been questioning why I regularly visit your site. The content has become uninspiring and less and less about good design. I honestly follow AT more out of habit than anything else. An article about porn may be the last straw.
no.
Are you kidding me? really? just no.
This is your warning. One more piece of shit post like this and AT is getting chopped from my bookmarks bar.
I am appalled by this. My 12-yr old daughter often goes to this site as she loves design.
You have just lost one of your regulars and her mom.
This has nothing to do with design in any which way. Since when are designers qualified to give comment or advice on relationships and considering it is mothers day - a really really bad choice.
The ONLY reason I decided to visit this site this morning was to see if you had come to your senses over night and taken down this ridiculous post. I guess not.
Totally out of context for AT.
And no longer SFW, so I guess I won't be reading AT during the workday.
Yea adding my voice to all the previous comments. I totally am down with porn, but this is so off point from a design site. Let's get the good ol' days of AT back please!
God, this made me cringe. What were you THINKING?!
When I want to read badly-written (frankly, barely literate), cliched and patronising advice, I'll go elsewhere, I promise - PLEASE stick to design.
Yeah, Dan Savage or The Hairpin are my preferred sources of sex/porn related discussion. I'm trying to figure out why you would introduce this new column, knowing there would be a lot of blowback, and can only think that perhaps you were trying to open discussion for people that wouldn't be caught dead listening to/reading Savage (or the like). There certainly is a large percent of the population that needs to talk about this topic, but I don't know if this is the best venue. It will be interesting to see where it goes.
Shark, jumped.
Epic fail, AT
This does not belong on AT, especially on the main page. I used to share this blog with my students in high school. Not anymore. I've also deleted AT from my RSS reader. I could get fired if this had come up on my work computer.
I'm so relieved it is totally unnecessary for me to express my displeasure at this article. What an intelligent subscriber community you have, AT. Don't blow it with more articles like this.
I'll add my voice: I love advice columns, even the bad ones like this one, but NOT on AT, please. The only way I see an advice column acceptable on this website is if it has to do with partners/families who are fighting over design. That's it. I want inspiration for my home, not dysfunction for my relationship.
My husband and I watch porn together, and it's certainly not something I'm offended by. With that out of the way, please heed the advice of the 150+ comments before me, and do away with this. This is not what AT is about, and it shouldn't have to be. Please don't just sweep it under the rug, either. Address that it was a misstep and you've reconsidered this direction, and I'm sure your loyal readers (me included) will respect you for it.
Not the right place for this column.
I came for design not dear Abbey.
I know it's the weekend, but why hasn't this post been removed? And how about an apology to the intellligent readers of this forum who expect something better.
Noting AT's new Classified section - are we next going to find ads there for porn?
Really, really disappointed in AT.
I agree with @CAMPARI.... over the last few months AT has been flooding their feed with tedious posts that are neither innovative or interesting. I prefer a post that is worth the time it takes to look over seventy tired posts that i scroll through quickly.
SO, I suggest Decor8, Style-files, Curbly, and ScrapHacker---- less posts, more content, more originality.
I abhor the intrusion of explicit sexual content into every corner of our lives, from advertising, to "news," entertainment and print media. Hate it. Didn't expect it to intrude here at AT. Scrap it, please.
Seconding Sevenworlds.
This is a really inappropriate addition to the site.
Besides, there already are plenty of valid AT relationship-oriented posts. Remember the ones posted before the holidays every year dealing with parties, stay-over guests, and in-laws? What about the posts about couples and roommates in conflict with each over territory and decision-making in their homes? Aside from increasing false hits, why drag discussion of porn into AT? It can only backfire big time.
"Relationship advice column" is such a cheap ploy. Tacky as hell. Sophomoric. Hackneyed. And, really, I think Dan Savage has this stuff covered, and in a much more interesting and less trite way.
NO PLEASE.
I wasn't particularly pleased with the merger of AT and Unpluggd/Ohdeedoh/ReNest, so I've been reading less (read: almost never). Imagine my surprise when I decide to give it another try today and this is what find.
Don't get me wrong; I like porn, I don't mind discussing porn, and occasionally need relationship advice. But to reiterate the comments above, I go to Dan Savage for that, not here.
An occasional relationship post explicitly related to living space (like "my partner is a slob" or "I like modern design and my fiancee wants a classic Victorian)– fine. But this is totally inappropriate for this site.
I hope the volume of comments makes it clear how readers feel about this, and I hope I won't see it again.
This is just Alienating Therapy...
Think of this post like a test, its a blah post to begin with but thats besides the point. I honestly dont think 90% of the commenters are against porn, this post wasnt porn, it was just out of context and kind of lame. Relationship advice is not what this site is about, especially after the founders broke up. This post just gauges the sites audience, and I know the site is viewed probably by 50% women and 50% gay guys (I being the latter), and I know most gay guys love porn, so then why have 98% of the comments been unfavorable to this post? because its irrelevant and its not edgy and its seems almost preachy. this is territory that wont help the brand, and thats what AT needs to get on the bandwagon. Someone call jessica simpson to show AT how a brand can operate and be innovative without losing focus.
Come on, this is really out of context. I can read Carolyn Hax anywhere. I come here to get inspiration about making my tiny apartment work better.
This is Apartment therapy boys and girls; There are connections to cooking, cleaning, house tours, kids bedrooms, and yes today it seems it's time to talk about porn and sex. Porn is in some households, and it's nothing to get upset about. Maybe folks complaining about this not being safe for work shouldn't be browsing on company time....?
@wawasa
Thanks for the new blogs!
I don't go to AT for relationship advice.
Please stop.
@Wawasa, Thanks, I just bookmarked the four links you recommended and also will check out the Homies contest entrants. I stayed despite AT's recent reorganization, but this post motivates me to reconsider its competitition.
So funny. I saw this and immediately did a word search in the comments for the word "shark." Lo and behold, two other commenters had indeed felt AT "jumped the shark" with this post.
Please, Apartment Therapy. You're so much better than this. You've made some changes to the site recently and that's great, but do you really think your readers are coming to this site to get advice on relationships or porn? Relationship advice coming from this amazing design site just makes me cringe and want to look away.
Apartment Therapy is where I go to drool over beautifully designed, real-world homes with a young, modern aesthetic. If I want to read pop-psychology advice columns, I'll buy a glossy women's magazine.
Not only does a relationship column not fit with the AT brand, but I have a MAJOR problem with porn. This wasn't a column about what to do when one person likes a firm mattress and the other a softer one. This was a column about an industry that exploits women. Gross and totally offensive.
I don't need this crap from AT. Major misstep on your part. Please pay attention to the comments from your reader base. I imagine your advertisers will pay attention as well. I have been a daily reader for at least 5 years, and see this as worthless tripe. This is not why I follow AT.
Has the staff completely run out of ideas? NEVER AGAIN, PLEASE.
@wawasa Want to thank you too for the new blogs. Wicked disappointed AT. Hopefully someone from AT will post a response to their readers' comments.
This is just horrible. :(
I hope this was a) a joke b) an accident or at the very least c) not to be repeated. Totally out of place here.
I'm all for sex advice or relationship advice, but seriously - AT is not the place for it. I was surprised to see this here and, quite frankly, I'm disappointed. Stick to what you're good at. I'd hate to see this site turn into some freakish omni-media "lifestyle" monster.
I have an idea: Instead of spending the money on an irrelevant, badly written advice column, HIRE A COPY EDITOR! None of your writers can punctuate for crap, especially this new one.
I agree - this is pretty inconsistent with what AT typically posts online. Here are the editor's contact information:
Janel Laban
Executive Editor
janel@apartmenttherapy.com
Jason Loper
Assistant Editor
jason@apartmenttherapy.com
So so sad to see this here. Love the comments about jumping shark. Hate that this post was published!
Agree with all the others -- do we have to have this kind of self-help/relationship crap here? This is a home decorating porn site -- where we can get away from the unpleasantness of dealing with other folks and revel in the pure world of objects.
Whattha. I left a design blog recently over her overtly religious posts. Don't make me leave Apartment Therapy over unnecessary and irrelevant posts.
@Adaora1
Very few are upset about the subject matter itself (myself included, in fact I say above that it's a great issue to tackle), just within the context of this site. Someone above mentioned enjoying a post of making the bedroom sexier, and it happened to be one I liked very much as well. The difference between that post and this one is that the former stayed true to AT form--design and space. This one does not.
Oh, and not only do I browse while at work, I often waive my boss over during down time if I find something eye-catching. :)
Anyway, I came back to see if this was taken down...obviously not! :-/ lol.
And if you're going to do this kind of thing it should at least relate to the blog ie:
10 best laptops for watching porn
best door locks if your partner objects to your porn habit
how to optimize your apartments layout for the ultimate porn experience
tours of apartments of couples who have resolved their differing takes on porn
etc.
@WallflowerPower "Jumping the shark" is a phrase that basically means a turning point where something that was previously good goes downhill quickly. It comes from the TV show Happy Days, when Fonzie was water-skiing and literally jumped over a shark. The moment was so ridiculous that people pin-pointed it as the moment the show went bad. The phrase has since filtered into the popular usage.
Wow, came back this morning half expecting the post to be removed or to see a statement by AT. Not!
I agree with all of the above, the post have become less and less inspired and unique content, and this is just sad.
AT, you have a lot of upset and confused readers - its about time you address this BS and get back to what this blog was created for!
I think you're all overreacting. I applaud AT for expanding their horizons. This is not just a design blog, it's a "home" blog. What do you people do at home?
Wrong place for this topic. If it's going to be a weekly column, I'll have to rethink my subscription.
Interesting. Readers, please consider emailing the editors themselves with all your complaints. When they put up a bone-headed post a few weeks ago featuring a children's "play teepee" that was deeply offensive to Native Americans, I (AT's token Native reader) strenuously objected to the editors via e-mail, and the post was taken down after I threatened to spread it to the online Native community. Here are their contact addresses:
Janel Laban
Executive Editor
janel@apartmenttherapy.com
Jason Loper
Assistant Editor
jason@apartmenttherapy.com
Gregory Han
Tech Editor
gregory@apartmenttherapy.com
Carrie McBride
Family Editor
carrie@apartmenttherapy.com
Expanding their horizons? The statistics associated with porn do not reflect mental or social growth. Quite the opposite. And Maxwell's "note" is a bit of a slap in the face. Especially to the readers who had to explain to their children what porn is this morning. Not even an apology!
AT has tapered off in quality COMPLETELY. And they have a nasty habit of deleting any negative or constructive feedback and deactivating your account for it.
I have added the four suggested design blogs (thanks @wawasa) to my RSS feed, deleted AT, and told my mother not to bother with this site anymore.
It's a hack. Or it's April 1st. No-one would write such bollocky balderdash about porn in 2012. I mean, who wrote this? Samantha from Bewitched?
I love mid-century modern furniture but I don't need mid-century 'advice' about sex, thank you. Even the writer's name sounds fake. It's a wind up.
Geez, I hadn't seen the added note. This is just getting more and more ridiculous.
Oh, my account was deactivated because I wrote that that an editor's attack on someone who commented negatively on her post was unjustified. The person who commented was fair, the editor's reply was completely nasty and I posted about this. I didn't know why my account was deactivated until M_12's post above.
Also: I find it in poor taste that when AT royally screws up like this, even if they remove a post, they never step up and make a statement apologizing or explaining why it was created or why they chose to take (or not take) it down. I've been a loyal AT reader since 2007 and am disappointed that the quality of the content has taken a nosedive. Passive aggressive editorial choices seem to be creating a death knell for one of my favorite design sites. :(
So, I just went to the Amazon page for the book listed, and it was published in 2000. So, not only are we getting boring, badly written advice, we're getting advice that's over a decade out of date! Surely, surely we are being trolled, right?
Well, before I get deactivated too, I've just seen Matthew's comment and it IS a joke, kids. See that he says 'Sticky questions' ?
And wow, she's a grandmother 'so she's seen a lot'. Brilliant qualifications. It's a JOKE.
AT is messing with us. Why now and not April 1st I don't know but as a reader here for many, many years, I am completely certain that this not supposed to be serious!
So I just sent an email to all of the editors listed by @BX. Hopefully they really refocus their attention on better quality.
Disappointing. Puh-leeze do NOT do this again. It would appear that your readership doesn't want this.
So since at is now #epicfailblog, anyone else have recs like @wawasa on sites that don't suck? Preferably ones that don't "re-edit" posts from 3 months ago and try to pass them off as new work.
Further proof that it's a joke - look at that cheesy photograph. This is a design blog, for goodness sake. There's no way anyone with any sense of style or design would have used that cheesy shot.
For reasons best known to themselves, AT are taking the piss. Maybe it's a bet and there's a lot of money at stake or something? You'll see - all will be revealed.
@VeggieGirl2 I like Offbeat Home. I don't like every post, but I feel like they at least put effort and thought into the things they put up, unlike AT lately. It's not really a design blog, but it's interesting.
Please, Please, Please, NO MORE!!
"Discussion will most likely bring some change and experimentation with other means of arousal that are mutually more satisfying."
One thing this ridiculous post has done is help give voice to the discontent with this blog. I have commented only a couple of times, and one time before was when someone went to the trouble of correcting the dozens of sloppy errors in a post, errors that should have been caught by the writer or a copywriter. This person was viciously attacked by the editor for doing this correcting in public. I stood up for the person making the comments and was deactivated.
This does not belong on this blog. If I wanted to read an article like this, I would go to a site for articles like this.
Um... what? I come to AT for design, and a little bit of escapism, not to be reminded of my real world relationship problems. There has to be a much more on topic, on brand way to explore relationships & home than this. I second some of the earlier opinions that AT has changed a lot in the last few years, and I'm having a hard time with the new editorial and even aesthetic direction of a lot of the content.
More sex articles, please! We have a whole section for food and eating, after all, and they're not, strictly speaking, design oriented.
How could an article about porn be so boring?
Here's my next theory. One of the fifteen year old interns mentioned by @THORNDALE is writing a paper on sexual repression in America. They are comparing the topless beaches that have been around in Europe since forever to the country that went crazy when a nipple once appeared accidentally during the Superbowl. In order to gauge reactions, they uploaded this post. Yes? No?
Seriously though, I have to agree with others that AT's standards have dropped considerably recently. It seems that every post has typos or glaring grammatical errors. Posts are recycled. Some of the house tours are crap. This site used to be so inspiring.
However, I still think that this is a joke will be explained on Monday.
@veggiegirl2 I'm a fan of Decor 8 as mentioned above, as well as:
http://www.desiretoinspire.net/
http://design-milk.com/
http://www.designsponge.com/
http://mocoloco.com/
http://aprilandmaystudio.blogspot.com
http://www.sfgirlbybay.com/
@Arthonolulu, Thanks, I'm bookmarking them now.
Blatant trolling for hits, AT. Not your best day.
The only thing I do object to about this article: the position that man is in is VERY bad for his back, especially if he's in for an extended session. I recommend a zero-gravity chair.
Ick
Here's the thing. If it's a joke, it's definitely not very clever, and certainly not worth alienating so many faithful readers. Maxwell's little note, basically belittling our comments as "zingers," seems flippant, arrogant, and strangely oblivious to how seriously some people regard this once-amazing website. Baffling. It's like they WANT to self-destruct.
"It's amazing that you've received negative feedback in abundance and haven't removed the offending article."
I would be amazed if Maxwell DID remove the article, just because he got negative feedback, even a ton of it. He doesn't strike me as the kind of wimpy pussball who censor his site just because an article is unpopular.
There is also the point that this 'expert' has a book for sale on Amazon - published twelve and a half years ago - which is casually linked to above. What's more, AT is an Amazon affiliate.
Expecting to have my account zapped any minute...
Hehe I think its funny how quesy people get when the topic of porn is brought up... take a chill pill, post like this could expand your mind.
Uh, I didn't bother reading this, because I already get this sort of information and discussion from sites and columns I subscribe to about relationships and sexuality and whatnot. Can't you stick with trendy wallpaper and buttloads of mid-century-modern finds, AT? "Write what you know" and all that. :)
@Britt Phoenix, I really don't think that's the point most people are making - popular websites such as AT become popular by being consistent and setting and meeting the expectations of their viewers. When people come to this website, they expect a number of topics relating to design, home improvement, etc. This post has absolutely nothing to do with any of those things - it's not the topic, it's the context. It has nothing to do with the mission statement or set goals outlined by AT - if this were a personal blog or a more relevant venue for this sort of content, nobody would blink. It's just that when you set out to have a website providing resources for home improvement and design - this is bizarrely out of context.
Expanding your horizons is nice and all that, but let's try to stick to this galaxy. Roommate issues, pop culture, fighting in Ikea is fine--at least somewhat connected to home design. But this is so far beyond what the site is about that it's just insulting. As others have said, when I want good relationship advice, I read Savage Love, and if I wanted trite, watered down relationship advice, I'd read Cosmo.
Rein in back in a little, guys.
First it was the Kama Sutra chair, now this. The next time I visit AT, it will be with a sense of dread ("What are they showing us today? Do I have to look around to make sure my children aren't looking over my shoulder?") Nice going!
It's obvious that this question in the new "Home" column is not embraced by AT readers. We want to read about design, about decorating, about home improvement, housekeeping, recipes, tips, etc. - but leave the relationships/sex advice to another site. Not Apartment Therapy.
After reading all the comments, just a little summary:
- almost everybody seriously hates the fact that AT wants to "expand their horizon" with relationship advise
- some readers think people are outraged because it's about porn (errm, NO!)
- a couple of parents are pissed because their children read this blog as well
- this blog is no longer SFW, and people will actually have to do their job instead of scrolling through the bazillion AT posts
- a lot of people have noticed the declining quality in posts in at least the last year or two
- plenty of people have given links to alternative websites
Well... I just replaced the little AT in my taskbar with a DS for DesignSponge... I hope this site will actually go back to reflect the original mission statement [small spaces and low budget], so I will check in once in a while, but you lost another loyal follower.
Thanks for all the great advice, tips, and not to mention the community for the past years Maxwell! I hope you come to your senses and remember why you started this website to begin with.
The wife beater t-shirt the guy is wearing is the icing on the cake. Or the wet blanket...one.
I'll vote with most of the 228 people who have already commented:
No. Stick with design and food.
Wow, I agree with everyone else, bad move AT. But I should be thanking you. I've been unhappy with the quality of AT for some time now. Yet I still reflexively visit the site daily despite the dissapointing content. You've finally spurred me to move on. It was great while it lasted.
I agree with about 226 of the 227 above posts. I thought I was out of here when you changed the format, but now I'm gone for sure. Just not the place for design anymore.
What were you thinking??
You have gone to the dark side. Turn around, run!
Thanks for the links ArtHonolulu!
I wonder if AT will now start a new section on their weekend homepage; "Most UNPOPULAR Posts."
Really AT, take the hint from all these comments.
and why was this post snuck in at 1:23am on a w/e?!?
This will probably be deleted but for what it's worth...is everything ok at AT? I have been a loyal follower of AT for YEARS, coming here every day, and I have noticed as have others, that things lately have been deviating from the usual consistently high standards and content. I know it is the nature of the beast, but it seems funny that once blogs/websites reach a certain stage/size, the creators seem to start looking for ways to tinker with the formula, ensure their continued readership and keep it fresh, but often shoot themselves in the foot by alienating the loyal readership that have always been there by changing the very things that brought them such loyalty in the first place.
AT has always been about good design, innovation, DIY, making more with less and being creative. Keeping in mind what is important in your life and environment, and getting rid of the clutter. Unfortunately, as others have said, by trying to be all things to all people, AT is less and less attractive to those that value it's original precepts. You can be proud that AT has that 'design for everyone' brand, where so many families are interested in visiting together and enjoy the ideas and inspiration. Do your brand justice and get back to basics. The amount and passionate nature of the comments received about this post shows how many people actually see this blog as a part of their everyday life. They have a vested interested and want AT to continue to do well.
I read in the New York Times a while ago that Maxwell and his partner are going through a break-up, and perhaps this context could possibly account for some of the fluctuations in content and quality posted here, with people having their mind on other things. I could be totally off mark, and I apologise if I am, bringing personal stuff into it.
Yeah, not interested in these types of posts. I also just happen to loathe porn and it becoming mainstream in our society. Gross.
I'm just wondering how many AT readers actually want "answers to all the questions you've ever wanted to ask about your relationships". Personally, I don't have any questions about relationships and knowing AT commenters - and I have been here for a long time - I strongly suspect that many could have written a much better article than the one above. And probably in about ten minutes.
AT readers seem to range from sixteen year-olds (and younger) to sixty years-olds (and older) and I wonder what percentage of all readers need someone's views about relationships. I suspect that the majority of us are in happy relationships or are happily single.
What I want from AT:
Clever ideas for maximizing space in my tiny apartment
News about cool new design
Great budget ideas to match my miniscule bank balance
News about how Daniel Kanter's latest DIY has improved his apartment
Ideas for growing edibles in my square yard of garden
Recycling and upcycling ideas
Amazing tiny spaces
Clever food ideas
Ideas from people who make the most of tiny rooms
Ikea hacks
Cheap and healthy cooking
Using natural products instead of chemicals
Before and afters
MCM
Ingenious storage ideas
Small Cool!
In other words, the very things that made AT brilliant - in the past.
Importantly, I also want to hear from readers - there are always great ideas in the comments. Has AT run out of ideas or what? If so, ask readers to submit articles and get back on track! Be useful again. I even used to enjoy having a laugh at the strange grammar policy "when we were a little girl" etc.
Let's hope that, when staff get back from their weekend break, sense will prevail at AT.
A storng slap on the wrist to you, AT.
I'm just glad it wasn't another nursery with chevrons. LOL
Maybe some of these uptight people are on the wrong site to begin with. Reminds me of the time the featured blogger used the word "vagina" on Ohdeedoh.
<waits to get deleted>
better writing and better taste:
www.myfavoriteandmybest.com
www.ifthelampshadefits.blogspot.com
www.doorsixteen.com
www.the-brick-house.com
Maxwell, I really love that you all "want to stretch the boundaries of how we cover the life of our home". That is an exciting thought and as a daily visitor I look forward to seeing how you all expand and spice it up!
I think the type of reader who comes to AT is not opposed to designing or even thinking outside of the box.. It goes without saying at this point that this is not the way, but I applaud you all for challenging yourself.
I was just watching a cooking show where an acclaimed Michelin starred chef removed the most popular dish from his menu after several years of booming success to encourage folks to try something new and to challenge himself- that is exciting, but the key is that what comes needs to be PHENOMENAL. This was not, but I trust that you all will get it.
Love the site and will continue to support!
Oy, Maxwell. Have you ever stepped in it now. Yikes! This is as wacky as going to Epicurious and finding a headline feature on the proper cleaning of an AK-47.
If this idea had been very cleverly conceived & very artfully executed, maybe (it's seriously doubtful, but maybe) there was a way you could have pulled this off, Maxwell, although the question of why you'd even want to in the first place would always remain.
But this feeble attempt at brand expansion (or brand dilution depending on your perspective) was so embarrassingly hackneyed that it just reeks of desperation & instantly reminded me of Krispy Kreme over-expansion fiasco. Once that company went national & started trying to maximize profits by selling their legendary donuts - ethereal only when they're piping hot - cold & stale at gas stations, the mystique of their brand was destroyed and their sales tanked.
You've built a lot of value in the AT brand. It's just crazy to risk blowing it to smithereens with an impulsive, poorly thought-out mission-muddling move like this. It really is.
Perhaps what AT may need most now is an advice column for editors who have very, very seriously lost their way and seem to be flailing a bit aimlessly these days?
A sabbatical might even be in order to give you a chance to rekindle your relationship with your original concept and renew your enthusiasm for the niche subject matter which made this site instantly carve out a unique place for itself in the marketplace on the very first day it was launched.
I'd hate to see AT go the way of New Coke or Krispy Kreme. I'm sure everybody who commented here today would hate it too.
LOL, and now it is a "top post". Coupled with Maxwell's note above, this shows us just how much AT cares about our opinions!
I agree with all the above comments! This really has no place on AT! If you felt you really needed to bring porn onto a design page why make it about relationships? This isn't about where to store your movies, artsy vintage playboys framed in the bathroom, fancy toy boxes that no one would think to question the contents, or even pornographic bedsheets with pinups or Tom of Finland art. This just killed off my need for inspiration. My only thought is "Really? What was the point of this?"
I'm so unhappy with this. AT is my homepage, and after letting my little sister use my laptop she now knows what porn is.
What makes it worse is that there is no apology or real acknowledgement of just how inappropriate this post was. In fact, Maxwell's little addition pretty much makes light of our concerns.
WOW. Not was I was at all expecting from my interior design website rss feed. Not only is it totally a non sequitur and what ridiculously bad advice. My partner is objectifying and depersonalizing the most intimate of expressions between two people. Many experts agree that pornography is a more dangerous and destructive than alcoholism. But go with it, girl, what could go wrong!
Yeah, not really looking for a relationship advice column from AT. At all.
AT i realize that this is your party and we are only the guests here.
but there are so many more appropriate and valid issues that AT can address if you do insist on doing a column on "home relationships"-
bonding and family dinners
sharing chores within working families
personal space within the home
well-you get the idea.i don't see myself as so brilliant that you too could not consider these more appropriate and relevant topics.
I signed up just so I could post a comment on this one.
Bad move, AT. Not a fan.
Please forgo "relationship" columns and stick to design.
Wow, AT. My kids like to look at this site with me sometimes. Thank goodness they weren't looking over my shoulder when I loaded the main page just now. They are 8 and 6 and do NOT need to know that stuff yet. Please remove this article ASAP!
@SundayMorning,
That's a very valid comment about logging into AT while at work. I happened to have a day off yesterday so I was reading AT at home but I often catch up on AT's post during my lunch break at work ... So, yeah, you are right.
NO
take. it. down. now.
Like most everyone else, I just don't see the connection. And it's not like there are hundreds of posts a day. Why waste valuable space on something so far off topic? Perhaps a new website is in order- you can call it CT. Couples Therapy!
@LEILANITEXAS Perfect comments. I wish I'd said that :)
When you create an internet community - which is what we are here - that community is led by its members, not the creator. I started an internet community in 1999 (long before Facebook was invented) and I quickly realized that it's an organic thing. The members dictate the direction in which the community goes - not the creator. This is just good business sense.
Give the customers what they want - not what YOU think they want. Apartment Therapy is a business. Treat it like one. Listen to your customers.
Dislike. I welcome reading about sex and relationships on relevant website. I like reading Dan Savage, he's thought-provoking and compassionate. But relationship issues that have nothing to do with design is not what I expect or want when I come here. Moreover, this article is not well-written, witty, or wise. And it's really out of context and your area of expertise.
really not at all relating to anything this site covers... if you maybe wanted to talk about reorganizing and efficient discreet digital pron storage on tech? or how to make personal space in a teeny apartment to keep partners sane? but i agree that i really really don't need an advice column that doesn't pertain to "what X can I use in my low budget reno" etc.
Nay
I'm a long time reader that doesn't usually comment, but I just wanted to add to the numbers who find design porn more satisfying than people porn when visiting AT.
I have found an upside though - thanks to those who posted links to their other daily reads! I have bookmarked them all, and can already see the beginnings of some new blog crushes.
Yes, AT has posted relationship advice before, mostly regarding etiquette in certain situations, which I think most people appreciate. If AT wants to delve deeper, why decide to start with a "taboo" topic such as porn and then present the most BASIC question about it? This question has been raised and answered a million times over....why think "I bet our readers are dying to know about this!!"? We're not Cosmopolitan readers. If you're going to address relationships, at least be thoughtful and creative about it.
This is so inappropriate. I have no problem with (most) porn but I'm not interested in it in this forum. Please stop this kind of thing or I will stop visiting this site.
ick. i can think of better ways to expand AT's horizons. featuring less known communities and cities where living is affordable, for example. featuring little known programs that help renters become homeowners. not this. no.
I don't mind it, and it opened up conversation in my home.
No.
No.
No.
@ smileandrelax, I agree! Add to the list less known diverse communities, or a discussion on gentrification. That would really push boundaries. Probably less profitable.
I still love Apartment Therapy and don't plan to leave, but i do find this whole thing very bizarre, and it's definitely not what I come to AT for.
"Frank answers to sticky questions?" Give me a break! My cat could write a more thought-provoking article on porn, or anything else for that matter. Please show Evie the door before I show myself to that door.
This was posted by Maxwell, so I don't know if emailing the editors will have any effect. Something tells me this may not have been their idea. It does not reflect well on AT or the co-owner who posted it. If it's a ploy, I think it'll backfire.
The comments suggesting other ways to expand or change AT are good ones. My example: I've put a lot of what I've learned from AT to work in my own tiny apt. I have an elderly mother who has developed serous hoarding practices. Her beautiful retirement condo is so crammed with junk it's heartbreaking. She *knows* it affects her well-being and our relationship, but we can't seem to resolve it. I've been surprised to discover how many people my age have parents with this problem. This would be far more topical than, well, porn.
Expanding AT to include spaces that aren't located in major cities, or more posts that don't fall in the presumed class demographic would be nice. A call for DIY projects, for example, where people can submit their entries. This has been such a popular part of AT it could easily be a contest.
No, no, a thousand times no. No problem with porn, no problems with relationship advice, but I don't want to find either of them here.
Belittling your readers' comments also seems ill-advised, but who am I to judge?
And the recent uptick in typos and grammatical errors: can't you find a recent j-school graduate to underpay, someone who can catch these things for you?
I'm off to Manhattan Nest, or Young House Love, or Little Green Notebook -- not as much fun and variety, but no sudden detours into random topics, either. Sorry, Maxwell. Much respect and appreciation for your hard work, but this was a seriously bad call.
Very glad to see you have noted the comments. I agree with all posters that this is not the place for a one-off column about volatile, potentially polarizing topics such as this. Just say no, please, and focus on what makes you truly wanted and appreciated. Psychology Today you are not.
This was very confusing...to log into a favorite decorating site, and see a new advice column. I actually read it, word for word. It's out of context for this site, was poorly written, and on top of that, barely scratched the surface on the topic of porn. Who is this so-called porn expert anyway?
Next are you going to be offering medical advice?
If this continues, I'm another reader lost, there are plenty of other interesting design blogs out there that don't offer awful relationship advice.
What a dumb question. They watch porn cause they like it.
Umm well I like the headboard :?
Not exactly my scene, but hey, whatevs. I guess that's why we have scroll bars.
So disappointed. Please remove this post. I just submitted photos of my toddler's room for the Family section. Now I wish I hadn't. Yuck.
To add to the chorus, this is totally out of context for AT despite the strained attempt to relate this new column to the site's mission. As others have also said, save the money you spend on this silliness and hire a copy editor, which you badly need.
Gotta agree, it seems very out of place
Fair question, wrong venue. Terrible choice, AT.
design sites are just style porn. How many of us lust after that lamp/table/rug? Substitute "pornography" in this article with "furniture" and nobody on AT would argue. Everybody has their own turn on.
why is apartment therapy pushing so HARD to 'diversify'???
enough already.
we all have google... we all can just search for articles on various topics that we would like info on. we come to this site for info on decor and design. please stop trying to stick little tidbits of unrelated garbage just to peeve ppl off.
and no, i am not a prude. just want to see info and articles related to the topic of the site.
please don't waste my time, thanks!
Now that it's the morning after, and there are more than 270 angry comments on this post (unprecedented for an AT post), I can't help but wonder if there wasn't some kind of mad PR genius behind this whole thing. What has resulted in this little editorial experiment so far?
1) People who were unregistered AT surfers who registered specifically to comment on this post (this includes me)
2) The word "porn" appears several hundred times on AT now, which search engines and advertisers will just LOVE. (I'd love to see the angry reaction of people looking for porn, who enter the word "porn" in a search engine and come up with a home decorating site.)
3) Everyone's talking about AT because no one can believe that the editors of such a successful and globally popular site could make such a grotesque blunder in it's allegedly well-intentioned attempt at expanding the editorial content. Any truly brilliant PR person knows that scandal attracts a lot more attention than positive PR.
So I wonder, did we all just take the PR bait?
Whatever detours AT posts take, they are best linked back to how people design, use and solve problems of their living spaces.
Examples of how sex-related topics that appeal to your target readership:
Previous AT posts talked about creating romantic moods for Valentine's Day for select rooms in the abode. How to make privacy shields for bed or bath with unusual degree or shapes of exposure to neighbors' views. Maybe disruption to daily life from other tenants' sex lives, or even with one's partner(s) that directly affects living arrangements in sharing spaces.
Make sure the contested relationship are still connected to people in living spaces. Otherwise AT loses its identity and becomes run of the mill.
Editors just step up your game.
I agree with the (literally) hundreds of posts above. I have no problem with porn or relationship advice, but the context on AT is all wrong.
There is power in knowing what you do well, and being clear about what you do not do as well. I hope that the staff at AT have a think about these many comments and are clearer on these points in the future.
Like many, I visit this site to have a break from reality. If I want to deal with porn, politics or a myriad of other issues, I will go elsewhere. I want AT to remain a haven in my busy life. The intrusion of such columns is therefore unwelcome.
Lastly (and I leave this last as it is the least important point), as a practicing Clinical Psychologist (which I am), from a professional standpoint, I found the content of the article to be narrow and superficial. I believe the readership of AT is savy, smart and sophisticated and deserve better than such formulaic and disturbingly unqualified advice (i.e., no acknowledgement that the advice given is general and may not fit with specific situations).
* Examples of sex-related topics that appeal to your target readership...
(grammar edit)
seeing as AT is about visuals, I'm going to comment on the picture.
I think his hand is in the wrong spot.
Otherwise, what is this? Once is a mistake, twice and I'm out of here.
More apartment, less therapy, please.
A seriously misguided move.
Why is this post still up??
I second, third and fourth just about every comment above. @Alicelost took the words right out of my mouth about changes, as did @Nisiepie. AT was once the way I treated myself after a long day of corporate hell. I never once doubted that I would find something delicious to look at and/or something interesting to read. Then the change to the integrated site and suddenly all I saw was boring white space with a few photos. It's taken me months to warm up again and then bang! this ridiculous little article. So completely out of context on this site. I honestly thought the site had been hacked. I feel strangely sullied by having seen it. Do us all a favor and take it down. It has no place here. I feel for those readers who mention children in their family having now been introduced to porn. Nice job AT.
The upside of this reaction, Maxwell, is that you had a loyal following who were reading and subscribing to this site when it featured design and home-centric posts. It isn't some positive side effect you should be glad about, you should be regretful for misreading an ENTIRE community of readers and potentially exposing children to topics that are not family friendly. This is relationship related, it doesn't matter that it might happen in the home. What's next - medical advice? Your arrogant little foreword just shows how little you care about the readership of AT. Do something decent with your budget, and hire a copy editor or hire someone to filter the plethora of spammers.
The issue is one of context and credibility. To the first, the subject is not about design, which alienates and confuses AT audience. To the second, assuming subject were appropriate, the person writing about it, whatever their personal experience/observation, as far as we know is not properly credentialed to write about with any kind of authority, which creates a serious trust issue amongst your readers that cannot be blithely argued away using the "we're sorry, but we're just trying to push boundaries here" kind of argument. Pornography is complicated, and involves all manner and kind of psychological response--the but-it-happens-inside-a-domestic-place-argument-and-therefore-is-worthy-of-our-attention is insulting, and problematic on many different levels. AT, for example, devotes a fair amount of attention to bedrooms and bathrooms, but you are not exploring in any kind of detail, thank you, what people are really doing in them, which leaves any "behavior in domestic space" argument you make arbitrary and difficult to trust.
It's dangerous to dispense psychological advise to a wide audience, unless your person is properly trained, and educated to do so. Perhaps they are, but, if so, their credentials should be made clear.
think Maxwell's divorce stress might be affecting his editing skills
Tsk.Tsk.
@FLAMINGOPINK Haha! Thank you for mentioning what most of us have probably been thinking. And I imagine that others have developed the same the same theory I did ...
Relationship advice from a site that probably uses 'teeny tiny' more ofen than any other site on the web? Don't think so. Leave that to other sites with Carolyn Hax etc.
Keep apartment therapy smut free
So I commented yesterday that I HATE this article- I come back today to see if it's been removed but no- instead I see the little note pinned to the top:
"...We don't want to turn people off, but we do want to stretch the boundaries of how we cover the life of our home"
I am shocked and appalled at the breathtaking arrogance that assumes my boundries need to be stretched by a home decorating website.
Fail of epic proportions.
Bad move AT. Get it together, seriously.
How do I delete my account? I'm flabbergasted by the lack of respect for the members of this community. EPIC FAIL! Time to move on.
I disagree with everyone in the comment section. I like the variety of blog posts here at AT, I thought it was an interesting topic even though I didn't expect to find it here. Sex behavior is for sure an integral part of living.
People, don't be so prudish! It's not like this article discusses sex techniques. And I am sure you all read the post.
Overall, good job, thanks for all your work AT,
Franziska
Glad to see all these people leave. This site should be for people who have an open mind. I liked this article. If you can't accept this then maybe you need take a hard look at yourself. This article is perfectly fine.
I'm so turned off by this post. I'd already felt totally annoyed by all the negativity in the comments coming out of the Small Cool Contest, and by all the prissy "sanctimommy" crap coming out of the Kids/Nursery posts comments, and now this. I could deal with the comments as long as I skipped reading them- but I can't exactly ignore posts like this- and neither can my boss at my office if AT is where I choose to spend my downtime. Not cool and not worth it. Time to find some new design blogs to follow.
PS- cast my vote for "porn is fine, but not on AT." @jasonmummert - has nothing to do with having an open mind or taking a hard look at oneself. Has everything to do with not being a "one stop shopping" consumer, and not wanting generic (unsolicited) sex advice from the place that tells me about trends in wallpaper.
Wow, 300 comments on how much readers hate this post. Bummer. Maybe if you're going to do a relationship advice column, it should be related to your relationship in how it relates to your home. For example, what to do when you and your partner have conflicting design styles. Or what to do when your partner is an asshat and wants to turn your guest bedroom into a motorcycle workshop. Or even how to arrange your bedroom for optimum sexiness.
Really? REALLY? AT is not the place for this. Boundaries stretched? I'm a freaking sex worker. I don't need - or want - people being told how to feel about sex, or porn. It's a personal issue, and not one for a design blog!
You've lost a reader here - and quite a few more from reading the posts.
Good riddance if you're going to be pulling this shtick!
"Completely off brand. Doesn't work for me as a loyal follower."
I see nothing wrong with wanting to branch out or to even stretch boundaires, however I would suggest, considering the comments here, that prior to taking that leap at least consider what you readers want, especially your loyal followers. Next time, consider conducting some research--more than a few companies have done the very same thing (don't stay true to their brand) and some learn a hard lesson by losing their customer base.
I am not prudish. To the lady about 55 posts ago that thought we should or could raise our chiildren as they do in France, feel rre to move there. I think the point most people had was that AT is the wrong forum for this kind of advice.
I agree; at least if the "professinal therapist" is going to be that well. stupid. She sounded nothing less than weird. Anyway politley not my gig. this "prude" has a mate to discuss and change our sexual needs to please both of us....for over thirty years now.
I enjoy both design and sex. One at home and design here at AT and a few others.I hope to keep it that way. Reading about someone else's sex or non sex life does not offend me; it bores me, :>) thx.
Flamingopink, that was so cruel.
As far as the article goes, I am indifferent, but that said, I don't enjoy the site like I used to. Nothing can stay the same forever. You outgrow them or you move on or they do and then it's on to something different. Things change, things end, we need to be adaptable.
AT receives how many million unique views per month? Obviously somebody likes what's going on around here...
WTF?
1. integrated site
2. 'relationship advice'
3. arrogant response to upset community
That's 3 strikes. I'm outta here.
I don't read every single post on Apartment Therapy. I don't have kids, so I don't read the kid stuff. If you don't like the title of this post, just don't read it.
I'm fine with stretching AT to include non-traditional design/living advice, sharing your space issues, cohabitating with difficult space/noise issues with roomies or loved ones advice, or variations of complicated living issues even, but this is just into the absurd territory.
I'm not anti-porn in the least and very laid back on that subject, but that's absolutely not what I'm coming to this site for. Salon suits all my erotic questions advice needs, and being bombarded with sex simply for wanting to look at homes and design is VERY annoying and really unacceptable for that matter.
I hope you have heard us loud and clear, and it would be nice to get a response back from the editorial people at AT, and on whether or not this is something you plan on keeping up.
I've liked some of your "off topic and weird" stuff in the past, but I think those posts attracted me because they were more generally about the people living in the space. They were somehow still tied to residence living, but even more so, they were usually articles you couldn't automatically find in other places. They were articles without a niche. I'm sure it's pretty clear that there are other niches for this sort of article, and we'll go on those sites if we want to. So, thanks for trying, but don't forget your AT vision as you experiment with the off-topic and the weird. We love you guys, we love your articles, you obviously have a great formula going - just don't try so hard to work outside the box for fear that you'll fall into box that's already taken (by a whole lot of blogs that personally, I don't visit when I want to get my apartment creativity vibe on).
If you can always link your articles back to design, even if they're off topic, you're probably on the right track. Somewhere to hide your porn from prying eyes? Sure! But like someone else said, don't make it so my work blocks your site or I'll be very very sad :(
Thanks!
I really don't get what all the fuss is about. This is a blog about design and 99% of its content is about design. Does this small deviation from the usuall content really justify a flamewar like this?
About all the fuss....if you find a website that is keeps out of the porn and relationship advice world, then you chose to stay because the website reflects your values. You give back via your support.
If that website deviates from their format by adding porn and relationship advice, then that is a gross betrayal of the audience base, imo. Whether you like porn or not isn't the issue. The issue is there are those of us who don't want porn or relationship advice every where we go.
If Apartment Therapy wants to tap into the porn relationship advice market, then say so. That way those of use who don't want to be part of it, can move on to another website.
@Kosta, believe it or not, some of our jobs have issues with employees visiting sites that have adult content and anything involving that arena isn't worth visiting, for the risk that it carries, no matter how small. Head on over to Houzz to see what a real home and design blog should look like. Do you see any articles there about what to do when your partner is fantasizing about someone else? If you don't see that, ask yourself why.
I say fair play to AT for not deleting this, and good riddance to all the prudes!
Welcome to 2012 - sex is apart of life and isn't dirty and if you think that then obviously your not getting enough of it.
THIS ISNT PORN! Get over yourselves.
My former paramour claimed that design *is* my porn...
But seriously folks, this is where I come to escape from the "sticky questions of life". There is space on the interwebs to seek expert advice on the problems (and joys) of the other components of my life.
I would also like to echo the comments of Thorndale and others: The quality of the writing and editing has declined, which is disappointing, as the audience here is generally well-read and erudite.
Maxwell (and AT staff), be who you are, with excellence. Don't be a mile wide and an inch deep; if you want to expand, dive deeper into design. I'd love some pieces on principles and skills that are taught in design school.
We love you just the way you are.
Seeing people just bash the crap out of something online is oddly satisfying... it's just hilarious. My favorite is "NO." There should be a blog that just complies the worst blog articles on the internet so people can just bash them. It will be called blog bashers...
A little random, but it certainly shouldn't be THIS shocking. I think that those who don't like it should just not open the post..I don't read tons of posts on AT because some aren't relevant to me specifically.
Yes, demeaning to women.
Yes, jumped the shark.
Yes, tasteless and out-of-place.
Yes, inappropriate.
Goodbye, AT.
@May, @BARYB Lets agree to disagree at some levels. : )
IMHO other than using keywords such as "sex" and "porn" this article is pretty much harmless. I don't see any reason why it should be blocked by a filter at work, as nowadays even reputable news sources talk about similar topics in “dirtier” ways without being blacklisted.
I agree that relationship advices don´t fit the tenor of AP and I probably wouldn't even have read this article but the number of comments made me curious. I also don’t want to read more advices, but I am okay with AP doing a weekly WE-column about it if they want to. This is no reason for me to feel betrayed or grossed out – I simply skip reading them if I am not interested. :p
At last, something (almost) all of us can agree on.
But really, AT? Prepare to lose many, many of your longtime followers if this does indeed become a "weekly column." Of course, I'm sure you'll gain many more... if that's what this is all about.
As dollface notes above, "the quality of writing and editing (on AT) has declined...." Could not agree more, esp. after seeing this post. It reeks of desperation.
No, I actually agree with @Flamingopink. I read in the New York Times a while ago that Maxwell and his partner are going through a break-up, and perhaps this context could possibly account for some of the fluctuations in content and quality posted here, with people having their mind on other things. Also read that Sara Kate Gillingham-Ryan oversaw the Kitchn side of things and this could account for the merger/changes on the site, as things are shuffled around to accomodate the new situation. Could be totally off-mark, but we are only human and it's almost impossible for these things NOT to affect our work lives...
@HONEYBEE That's exactly why this has been very badly timed. How long do you think it will be before people put two and two together and make way more that four? Especially as the 'top posts' feed is automatically posted on the bottom of the Kitchn site.
As for the people who are saying that the comments here are from people who are prudes, it seems to be quite the opposite. It's unfortunate that the word 'porn' was used, true. But it seems that there are two issues here:
1. People feel that this isn't the place for a 'relationship therapy' feature, especially as the post seemed pretty uniformed, plus badly and quickly written. (And linked to Amazon, of which AT is an affiliate). The question could have been 'what can I do about my partner who farts in bed' or anything - it's just not relevant to home design.
2. It has given people the opportunity to say something that they have been bottling up for a while - that the quality of the content here has gone way down. There's the grammar and spellings. There are house tours of boring places which feature little more than the same room from several different angles, show photographs of piles of books and are advertising the homeowner's businesses.
So at least we have a place to vent :)
Was this article surprising? Yes, but only because Apartment Therapy has not yet ventured down this path. Was the content offensive or tasteless? Absolutely not.
Keep doing what you're doing Apartment Therapy, don't be afraid to try something new every once in awhile.
Yuck. I'm really feeling like not ever coming back to this site. I have ZERO interest in this kind of content.
I'm thinking maybe it's time for me to stay over on the Kitchn part of the site. I've been getting disgusted lately with AT's almost-daily "OMG a white room" posts and the constant drumbeat of BUYBUYBUY, so maybe this is a sign for me to leave.
I don't have a problem with porn or relationship advice, but it's not what I come here for and not part of the stated mission of the site.
This is vile. Porn is demeaning filth that has nothing to do with sex and everything to do with control over women. That is what I believe. That aside, the article itself is an appalling piece of writing, wrought with errors and with those photos it's difficult to believe this isn't some sort of bizarre parody of a 'relationship' article. It is inappropriate in the extreme and those who have had to explain porn to their children and siblings deserve an apology. The shameless trolling for hits is nothing short of desperate and if I may say... totally pointless. However this is a good opportunity to vent and that is welcome. I second the calls for a copy editor and add my voice to those who feel the quality of this blog has deteriorated rapidly while the actual amount of content has grown exponentially. It smacks somewhat of frantic flailing in the dark to hit 'publish post' button to repeat so much content and I sincerely hope you pull your socks up and return to the good ol' times or I sense a Regretsy style Apartment Therapy spin off in the future. Also, a personal pet peeve of mine. I'm sick of all the damn Apple products. You can't move for them here nowadays. I'm not so dense that I'm going to buy one because you keep shoving them into house tours. Please.
somebody said my comment on maxwell's divorce stress was cruel.
I don't know ... I think it's called stating the bloody obvious and this comes from someone who's been through divorce and knows how it affects concentration, sanity and accuracy; and that half the time you're not even aware of how much it's affecting you.
I also opened AT in bed this morning to peruse some interiors on a sunny Sunday and really didn't like being confronted by a perving man in a vest staring back at me.
@RuthTooth...why do assume all who seek out porn are heterosexual?
Just wondering why so many of the posters here share that assumption.
I like the idea of a Regretsy-style send-up, though. Compartment Crapery? Department Persnickety? Deportment Noseupity? YourStyle SucksCity?
(@princessfiona...five stars!)
The apoplectic comments are funny. Even funnier and more unbelievable that the sleazy looking guy in the pic has a live live in 'partner' or even give a rat's ass (oops) about design.
If Ms. Cohen has been signed on to AT, wonder what an even MORE hot button topic might be, or else, anything to follow will be totally insipid.
Hahahahah! I just think it's funny how people get overworked by something like this! AT is trying new things, it didn't work, we all should give our honest feedback and move on. No big deal.
I laugh at people saying "goodbye AT" or that porn is disgusting, or blahblahblah, but geez, thats it, move on. It looks like some people wanted to complain about something else and they just jumped in and took it all off their chests. Or maybe some people just have this problem with partners and porn and got personally offended.
If I see a post I don't want to read, I just don't read it. I have other blogs to follow and a life outside my computer.
Keep oing AT, all this stirring is very positive!
@brooklyndiana sums it up perfectly - "not wanting generic (unsolicited) sex advice from the place that tells me about trends in wallpaper." There are far better sites to find advice on these sorts of issues. This was poorly-written and so completely off-topic - I do enjoy the "off-topic" and "weird" articles that I've seen in the past, but as far as I remember they've been SOMEHOW connected to design.
I used to check into AT all the time at work - guess I won't be doing that again unless we hear some sort of response regarding whether or not these "hot button" issues will be rearing their comment-generating heads on a regular basis.
Please stick to issues related to design. I think it's pretty clear that people aren't coming here for sex advice (it's a pity if you are), and I'm sure a ton of people who browse AT at work are going to be screwed (ha) by posts like this.
To all those complaining that this is NSFW. Here's an idea... why don't you get off the blogs and get back to work?
Please, no. Call me prudish, but this is a site that has a Family Channel. I don't want to have to explain to my kids what porn is yet. As for the expansion of what relates to home, porn does not only happen at home. This is a failed attempt at being cool.
@MNTNGR There's this concept at work called a "break." NSFW content does alienate a lot of people.
A relationship question on porn on the Apartment Therapy site? It's wacky! It's like going to the House of Turquoise blog and finding it overrun with red rooms, or going to Young House Love and finding it taken over by two cranky old people who buy a lot of expensive crap rather than making good pieces on their own. It's too much of a departure from what the audience wants.
In addition to that, this subject matter (partner's interest in porn) seems about 20 years out of date so it's pretty much of a yawn by now. I'd be willing to bet Dr. Ruth tackled this question back in the 1980s.
On the plus side, I've been heartened to read in the comments thread that so many AT readers' kids don't know what porn is (or didn't until this article). There's some well-made porn out there, but it's good to know that, even in our hyper-sexualized, informationcentric age, kids still have maybe 8 or 9 years on this planet before they confront it.
Oh, and one more thing: "Why does my partner watch porn?" The answer is: "Because it's there." End of story. Now can one of the editors please tell me where I can find an inexpensive, good-looking, assembled bathroom vanity? THERE's a question that's not so easily solved.
I'm so confused...like in the twilight zone or something...
dude, just keep it design related
If I want relationship advice, I'll ask myself, a therapist, my friends, or at the very very very worst, Dear Abby. NEVER. NEVER. A design blog.
Please. Stop. Now.
There's something wrong with this picture; no pun intended. I agree that it doesn't belong on AT. I'm disappointed to see it here.
Hmm, it's not April Fool's Day. AT doesn't appear to have been hacked---it's just this one page. I generally applaud efforts to expand one's brand, but this is well beyond what I'd like to see here. I didn't read all of the comments....was there anyone who thought this was a good idea? (I did read the article, by the way, and I thought the advice was terrible.)
My opinions on porn aside, I do not come to this site for advice like this. Also, I have read plenty of well written articles on the subject and this is not one of them.
Please get rid of this.
Ditto what everyone else said!
I'm not a prude. Porn is fine. What, there are women in porn? Not the videos I watch. Maybe not in the video's the posts author or the blog's owner watches either, I don't know their life. I digress. What I find totally creepy is a post about porn followed by a post about a toddler's birthday party. I also find a glib note from Maxwell equally annoying. And the reason I'm leaving AT isn't because they mentioned the word "porn" or because there is a poorly written advice column, I'm leaving because the quality has dramatically declined recently. There's a big world wide web out there chock-o-block full of design websites that attack the subject with a fresh and intelligent approach...no bad grammar, no recycling content, no advice columns, no bitchy commenters. This was just the final nail. Good luck with your divorce! Who gets the yurt?
Are you kidding me? Porn is not appropriate for a design blog. It is uncalled for, vile and AT loses major, major points. I come here for design, not for information about sex. If you are attempting to be 'cool' and 'liberal', I want no part of it.
lmao @mntngr so true!
I think Maxwell and Co should put some actual porn videos up so all the backwards prudes will realise the difference between an article about sex and porn and porn itself.
@Sam26785, not wanting to read about porn on your favorite home design blog doesn't mean you are a prude who doesn't know what porn is. It just means you don't want to read about porn when you came to read about design.
Many of these so-called prudish readers are just calling this out for being exactly what it is - a post designed to garner more hits for the site from search queries aimed at something else. Otherwise, AT would have removed the post by now, after 340+ readers said they didn't approve.
As for me, I don't really care. I don't want tons of articles about sex, but the comments are entertaining enough to make up for the poor choice in subject matter.
DONALDN- This!!! +1,000,000,000
Yikes, I don't check on AT for 1 day and I miss the revolution!!!
Was going to forward the AT link to my husband's colleague who is renovating, and now I honestly cannot. Sex is great but I'd like to keep it private.
And I agree, that was one of the most BORING sex advice posts I've ever read.
ps -- how did you go from breaking up in Ikea (super post) ... to this?
Come on AT. This post is out of character.
D :
@DONALDN I think I love you - "Who gets the yurt?"
Brilliant.
Hope you had fun with your *silver hammer,* Maxwell. You (and AT) are dead to me now.
It's a real stretch to include a piece about pornography under the auspices of stretching "the boundaries of how we cover the life of our home." But that's not what chaps my hide the most.
What drives me nuts is that the writer approaches the subject from such a morally relativistic standpoint. Porn is a short-circuiting of intimacy. It progressively skews perceptions of what intimacy and sex are supposed to be. It distorts the image of what men and women "ought to look like." And it slowly but surely shapes the viewer's arousal template to where they can only be aroused by pornography or some facet of the pornographic situations they view. The author warns against obsessing about being the sole object of arousal but fails to hit on the dangers of fetishism I've just outlined.
We are kidding ourselves if we think that we can isolate sexual intimacy from emotional intimacy in a relationship which is what pornography viewers are in effect trying to do.
Posts like this are why AT doesn't deserve to be on my ad blocker's whitelist.
I hate to beat (giggles) a dead horse here, but yes. Please don't add this type of advice column to this website. It is so out of place and out of the blue.
As your comments have clearly indicated none here is looking at AT for help relationship help.
Thanks for thinking of us, but no thanks.
"I want you all to know that you are all HEARD, loud and clear, and I'll definitely think about where we take this weekend column in the future."
No, you didn't hear anyone, not if you plan to keep a relationships column. People obviously don't want it. If you'd really heard people, loud and clear, you'd let this ridiculous idea drop.
In his update/preface to this post, Maxwell writes: "...We don't want to turn people off, but we do want to stretch the boundaries of how we cover the life of our home."
Here's a thought: Instead of going so far afield with a "relationship" column (let alone one about porn), how about stretching the boundaries of AT's home coverage to include more about one's relationship with the neighborhood and community? For many of us, our home is our refuge and even our work of art (or we want it to be), which is why we love Apartment Therapy, for how it inspires us in that area -- but what about some therapy for the square feet that lie immediately outside our front door? -- for our neighbors and our relationships with them, our city streets, our suburbs, our condo complexes, our apartment buildings, etc.? - specifically, how to build and nurture relationships with them and how to build a sense of COMMUNITY in the real world, to increase everyone's sense of feeling truly at home in the world? I would love to see more on that, whether on AT or elsewhere, and I think it's more of a fit with the overall AT site and mission, at least as I originally understood them.
Maxwell/AT editors: why choose the topic of pornography to introduce this segment to your community? Did AT really decide that this was the *best* way to introduce a column on relationships? Your community clearly has some questions, and would welcome a more comprehensive response on AT's part. I really appreciate AT and value the content on the site and think that stretching the boundaries of how you cover life in the home is great - however, a site is nothing without the buy-in of a community at large. It would appear that at least a part of your regular readers question this direction - would it not be worth addressing to keep the faith of the community? Just in skimming the above comments, it seems many people are ready to devote their attention to a site other than AT due to this.....
I've been reading this site almost daily since 2005, and I too have become increasingly dissatisfied with the quality of the content over the past couple of years. Particularly since the redesign of the site, there seems to be a whole lot more filler posts, recycled content, and plain boring pieces than ever before. And I generally enjoy the slightly off-track posts that relate back to how we live in our homes, the design world, etc. But with posts like this, and the big 'social workout' push a while ago, it seems that Maxwell has gotten as bored with this site as I have. Maxwell, if design just doesn't do it for you anymore, move on, but don't tear down what's great about AT in an attempt to reinvent it. I already visit the site a lot less frequently than I used to, spending my time at designsponge, the style-files, desire to inspire, manhattan nest, emma's design blog, and many others. But the lack of regard for the AT community and lack of respect for your own brand is what is alienating to me, not a sad little Cosmo-esque bit about porn. And for god sake, if you are going to try to 'branch out', don't make the piece as boring and trite as the rest of your design content has become!
In other news, some people find porn to be a turn-on. And for others, porn is a turn-off.
This is stretching boundaries?
I'm sad. It was great while it lasted but AT no longer deserves my time. I'm looking for content that improves my life. I'm no longer finding it here. I'll check in at next year's small cool contest if you're still around.
You've got to be kidding me! Listen with your eyes AT, don't try a relationship column. Just try to get back to good design please.
P.S. Readers, porn is not ANY kind of good. Violent sexual crime has risen in almost direct correlation to expanding porn markets all over the USA.
Unless AT now stands for Ass Thumping, please keep it to what's on the bed, not what's happening in it.
Uncool, AT. This is not why I follow your website.
Agree with the vast majority of posters here that AT has jumped the shark with this idiotic move. Just so so so far off base.
Anyone have suggestions for another home design site that features a nice variety of home tours? That's really the only part of AT I bother with anymore (and even those have declined in the past year).
No and so glad to read im not alone. Tabloid articles belong elsewhere.
Wow. Between the post itself and the plethora of comments, I've decided to drink a warm cup of Smooth Move and wait for Monday. Oh, and read LÄBCASA.
Newleaf thanks for other options. I like designsponge and now i have alternatives.
What is this crap?? Porn talk?? I subscribed to AT to get away from this kind of crap. My kids read this website too you know...geez.
Wow, the reactions to this post. For everyone saying that this is exclusively an interior design blog, take a look a their broad range of content including tips for life in general and apps, etc.
Inappropriate? I think not. It's relevant to people's lives. It's natural. I'm sure the vast majority of critical comments above come from women who feel porn to be perverse.
The title clearly warned the reader of what to expect in the body of this blog post. Offended? Move right along.
@Braisenwoman Try Remodelista.com for great house tours
Thank you! And the article was about relationships not Porn! I think this is a great idea, even in design site like this. Becouse style loving people have problems too and I rather ask for advise someone I know and trust to, then some weird relationship site... Thank You again!!!
MELISSAM has written the most truly constructive and forward-looking post here:
"what about some therapy for the square feet that lie immediately outside our front door? -- for our neighbors and our relationships with them, our city streets, our suburbs, our condo complexes, our apartment buildings, etc.? - specifically, how to build and nurture relationships with them and how to build a sense of COMMUNITY in the real world, to increase everyone's sense of feeling truly at home in the world?"
A rich new vein to explore and develop. Try it, AT - should be fun, thought-provoking, genuinely and universally useful. Oh, and not so divisive...
I work at a federal office. This is one of the only design sites that isn't blocked by our servers. I don't want to see AT blocked; my lunch break wouldn't be nearly as much fun :(
ETA: please just remove any mention of pRon :)
PLEASE STOP!! IT'S NOT WORKING, AT!!!
I can't even begin to explain how inappropriate this is on so many levels, so all I can say is, "What the hell were you thinking"? I'll check at the end of the day, and if the post is still up, that will be the last time I visit AT
give me a shitty before/after painted white over this any day.
@SweetVirginia i understand that but some people are saying stuff like "i don't come here to look at porn" and what im saying is that it's not porn.
Maybe they found that after checking AT that people head straight to the porn sites. They do have unplggd here! But I'm still thinking that AT does not need a sex column.
"Author of Couple Fits, psychotherapist and marriage counselor in New York City"
What is this, a plug to buy some psychotherapist's book? AT please quit putting unrelated content like this on your site, its not what your readers come on here to see.
In the meantime, if anyone is looking for some other great morning coffee HOME IMPROVEMENT related websites, here are some of my bookmarks I love: try out Centsational Girl, who also runs a blog 'Centsational Style' on the better homes and gardens site, Young House Love, 7thhouseontheleft, homedesignfind, or designsponge. Here's to hoping AT stops straying off the great path they were on.
I wasn't sure if I should post these at first but I've noticed a few others added their favorite links, so enjoy :-)
http://www.centsationalgirl.com/
http://www.bhg.com/blogs/centsational-style/
http://www.younghouselove.com/
http://7thhouseontheleft.com/
http://www.homedesignfind.com/
http://www.designsponge.com/
Hmm, I don't really mind AT branching out to other topics, but maybe create a new channel for it? Probably an article about porn wasn't the best choice for the introduction to this new feature; but I have enjoyed AT posts that have led to discussions about relationships, i.e. the division of labor when it comes to chores. I think that there could be potential here but AT editors need to think long and hard about how some of these relationship issues might come into play with the themes and content this site already excels at.
I think that people need to relax a little bit. AT has served us so well; they are allowed a few misteps as they chart new terrority.
Its not even the least bit insightful! This "relationship advice" is so freaking obvious that it barely counts as advice at all, it should be called "platitudes on dating".
I don't mind AT branching out a little if they actually have something to add to the conversation. But this just reads like it was lifted from ask.com. Totally mindless dribble.
I'm sorry I had to witness this.
Well if you wanted to get peoples attention you succeeded. But honestly - this is really a turn off.
Yes, home is about more then just the right wall color or sofa, but this is stretching it WAY to far. Hope you go back to the old ways - but I have to say in general the content of AT hasn't been so great the past few months and I'm sure this kind of post isn't going to help.
I agree with the general consensus that this post is dumb, but I wanted to add that it's not even that well-written. You could have at least gotten someone who can present themselves as an expert would...
'does anyone know where i can get that headboard?' hahahaha love it! lighten up, right?
yikes. i'm almost afraid to not have an adverse opinion. but it doesn't bother me. yes - i was surprised to see it but was certainly intrigued at the new direction. it's call 'apartment therapy'. this shit happens in apartments and sometimes the involved parties need therapy? idk...
but then i read the article and it was awful. very poorly written. i hate when critics, etc jump all over the place with what they're trying to say and never actually finish a thought....its why i felt so inadequate going through arch. school. but i digress. the negative comments about the quality - agreed. who cares about the rest. skip the post. i do with all the baby crap unless i like the colours.
I don't have an issue with the article (but I also don't have a kid who might have seen this and asked me what porn is), I just don't think it's blended very well. Why not title it, "behind bedroom doors" and warn that it's an article for the adult readers of AT? A little discretion.
While the vast majority of responses here oppose the theme of the newly introduced therapy column, it's fascinating to note the vast differences in how readers opposed it. Some acted like grownups and some were in hysterics. My perception is a noticeable increase in nasty responses in the recent years. We can hope that they are the same people who have been shrieking and pouting here and promising to leave AT. (And, for the record, I side with the poster who suggested that the personal therapy limit itself to improving our neighborhoods and community.)
boo.
I don't need apartment therapy for relationship advice. Please stick with design topics.
Ditto to MelissaM's comment about "stretching the boundaries of AT's home coverage to include more about one's relationship with the neighborhood and community". This is the kind of expansion that I personally would welcome on AT.
Sorry but this is not only totally off-topic but also horribly written. Aren't there enough hack relationship advice columns on the internet? The last thing we need is AT turning into the 'Lifestyle' section of Salon or Slate.
Please let's not add this type of stuff to AT. I don't go into Crate & Barrel and ask the employees for advice on my boyfriend's porn addiction while I'm picking out end tables. You know?
This woman wrote an entire book??? Her editor must have been ready to stroke out after trying to make it readable. If you insist on keeping her on as a contributor, AT, please hire an experienced editor to help her out. Better yet, just can the whole idea and make your expansion focus on what others have suggested regarding neighborhood and community. We're so sorry you ran out of good design posts.
I remember AT when Maxwell was a guy with a good blog and a great eye. Now he's just paying the mortgage with any old spam or grandma's sex advice.
What a come down. They all sell out in the end. One more column like this and I'm done here.
This is a very disappointing misstep. I've been a daily reader of AT since 2007 and I'm not happy seeing this sort of content posted here. If these kinds of posts become a regular feature on this site you will lose your audience, not widen it.
The reason it's here is because of the hits they'll get from it. Period.
It would be great if they could refine the posts that actually pertain to design and decor, and perhaps even copy-edit them!
I miss AT ca. 2004 quite a bit.
Ha, I managed to miss this post until today -- what a mess!
Now, it drives me a little nuts when people here complain "this isn't about design!" about any particular article because AT isn't just about design -- it's about your life at home. Dinner party music, pet products, plant care -- none of these are design topics, yet they all fit into the AT mission.
So, in that light, I don't think a relationship column is a bad idea per se -- after all, a big part of home life is your relationship with those who live with you -- but this article's execution strayed a little too far from the site's mission. A straight-forward relationship Q&A seems too Cosmo.
Maybe this topic would fit into the site better if this was more of an open-conversation series about the challenges of co-habitation? That would cover everything from roommates who keep strange hours to significant others' annoying habits (this topic, basically).
It's. ONE. Post. (You can skip it.)
People with kids: Get real. Protecting your children too much makes them rebel when old enough. Just tell them porn is "entertainment for grown-ups, that some people like and some people don't." Younger kids will probably accept a bland explanation and move on. Pre-teens might want to kn ow more, and why not admit to them that the images have to do with sex and that you don't approve of them for kids to see, if that's how you feel. Eventually they will find out, and maybe it's better for them not to believe they have been lied to by their parents.
I'm not a fan of porn -- what I have seen of it is stupid and not at all arousing, to ME. But that;s different for everyone. I don't give a rip whether it's a topic here, I can skip posts I don't care about and do, all the time... In the greater scheme of things, this is ridiculous.
I am in no way whatsoever a prude or offended by porn or watching it or talking about it. However, this does not belong here. I come to this blog for INTERIOR DESIGN. If you cannot deliver on that, if you aren't creative enough to write about that, then why should I bother coming here anymore?
Weird. Opinions are great, but tell my again why I should listen to the author of this answer?! Define "relationship expert" for me! Everyone's relationship is different! If you don't have a phd in researching relationships, your expert advice is just useless to me!
Don't mean to be rude: I LOVE AT, and will continue to visit. This post however, seems to have no connection to design whatsoever. The IKEA post: HILarious! This post: WHA...?
I’ve never more upset at this site, and it’s not because of the post, it’s because of the ridiculous and over-the-top comments. GIVE ME A BREAK!!! Maxwell can put whatever the he** he wants on HIS site. Expanding this site is a fine idea as long as it’s “lifestyle” related and the main focus of the site is still interior decorating related. If you all don’t like it then take your whiny butts to some other site (which some of you rudely named) and don’t come back to Apartment Therapy. God! People are so stupid!
@BMA83 'Whiny butts'? And you're saying that other people who have commented are rude? I'm inclined to think that the people who have left comments here are not 'stupid' but genuinely concerned about the quality of a site that they have loved for many years. This is really bringing out the worst in some people, which is one reason why it should have never been posted in the first place.
Wow, This is so incredibly not what I come to this site for. This is what Dan Savage is for. His answer is both shorter and better.
I've started to dislike this website.
Yeah um what's up with this. I don't have a single problem with porn (love it, in fact), and I'm not on a work computer either. I just don't want this HERE. When I come to AT, I'm looking for couches and mirrors and stuff like that. I go to different places for my porn reading and this is just ... no.
Wow. This post brings a whole new meaning to the "small, cool" contest. Anyone going to send in their photos?
@SherryBinNH - Right on! This is one post. ONE POST. Having disingenuous outrage over your children's lost innocence over seeing the word 'porn' and derisively taunting someone over the breakup of a long partnership are infinitely more stupid than this post, imho.
@AMARANTA - No, I’m saying the people on here are whiny and need to get over themselves. Simple.
I don't really care either way about this post. It's definitely not in keeping with the rest of the blog in terms of topics, but people here really need to work on not being so offended by EVERYTHING. If you don't like it, fair enough. But it garnered the most comments I've ever seen here. Maybe there was a reason for the post......
@FunDaddio, For The Win.
More filthy posts, please!
Evie actually gave great advice, but for realsies, this is like finding a feature on vibrators in Martha Stewart Living. Yikes.
"like finding a feature on vibrators in Martha Stewart Living. Yikes."
That would be wonderful!
While I am fine with this kind of article in general, am not outraged at all by this content, and the advice seemed good, I am 500th-ing the dissent: this has nothing to do with the theme of this site, and it seems totally nonsensical to feature this here. It is like logging on to Cute Overload and them making a post about caring for your aging parents. Thoughtful and informative? Yeah, probably. Worth reading? Possibly. But if you take a focused feed that people come to because they are interested in a certain type of content, and try to into something that posts about whatever they feel like talking about, you will simply lose most people's interest, including mine. Frankly, this site already updates to much for me to care about keeping updated with it, but if it starts also having seemingly random content, it is even less motivation to do so. I would nix this column.
It would be one thing if you hadn't redone the site to consolidate all of the related topics into one area, because if it was all separate you could toss this into a stream of information that it might be able to fit into, or make a new section for it. But you already merged all the sites into one interior-design focused feed and limited your scope, so you have to stick with the content decision that has already been made.
This site just keeps getting worse.